More controversy....
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UPDATED: Wednesday, December 15, 2010 13:51
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I had forgotten to point out that I understood that Joss had FILMed every episode.
How fitting for a big screening of a movie that Fox refused to broadcast until after cancellation.
Pilot won an Emmy.
Did BDM win any awards?
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Originally posted by jewelstaitefan:
Did BDM win any awards?
Despite my dismissing the bdm earlier, I feel compelled to point out that it won a Hugo, for best sf movie. Morena accepted on Joss' behalf and read out a speech he wrote - you can probably find it on youtube. At her glamorous best, she certainly looked out of place amongst all those middle-aged writers/artisits receiving the other awards.
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i do understand some of the criticism of the BDM
(although a lot if it is Sgt Pepper vs The White Album)
Wash's death is a wrong move -
not just coz he's likeable
(some of the opinions i've heard are a re-run of
the Tara's not dead craziness from Buffy-land)
but because - (the best argument being in Serenity Found)
Zoe cannot 'arc' after this,
'what can she do? get MORE badass' (i'm paraphrasing).
Zoe should've been the one to go -
Wash would have developed whole new story/characer potential.
i have no idea how Wash's death seemed to a viewer unfamiliar with the tv show.
Also - the River, Mal focus forces a shift;
yes, Mal comes into his own once the whole crew are together
but it's not the same as in the show,
where Mal needs the crew to fill in his blanks.
In the BDM he just needs back-up.
I like the Serenity comics because this balance has been restored.
(as it would have been perhaps in any sequel -
and yet another reason to bemoan the lack of a dvd mini-series)
Gotta say - juggling 9 characters is really really hard! Ask a BSR fan-fic writer!
But i do think the BDM is beautiflly shot and filmed, well realised within itself,
funnier than people credit - think of the opening and Mal in the Companion temple.
The River in the bank scene is priceless - so are those goggles!
Mr Universe is a great addition.
The Operative is fantastic.
The music is wonderful.
and that's enough of that.
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I honestly don't want to choose between the Pilot and the BDM because I loved them both, they are each a chance to become absorbed in the fantastic 'verse Joss has created for us to play in. I go with most everybody about all the wonderful character moments in the pilot, that wonderful merging of cowboys in space and the Chinese culture and the whole rich fabric that had that worn comfortable feeling about it of something much loved and *lived in*. It makes it feel *real*. There are many contrasts between the pilot and the movie which is probably what clashes in some minds as to merit.
The pilot gave us Joss's 'verse, gifted us with his wonderful characters and drew us lovingly in. The BDM thrilled me because the series we loved and lost was brought back on the Big Damn Screen and how could any Browncoat not feel all misted up at that? So proud that it happened, so excited to get to watch it then own a piece of it with the DVD. I thought the story was excellent, pacing great, music terrific. Downsides for me were the unnecessary death of Book. What in the nine hells was that about? Why? Killing off Wash was almost a "we have to kill someone off for the movie to be taken seriously" but I don't buy that. For shock value it worked. In fact at one point in the movie I was convinced Joss was going to kill off ALL our Big Damn Heroes. It was almost as if every single character had been given life threatening injuries and could have the plug pulled on them at a moment's notice. It certainly kept my heart in my mouth right up until the end. And before anyone says the BDM lacked emotional content just rewatch that scene when Simon gets shot and River says "My turn now". I had tears running down my face.
Given that Zoe was put back together with crazy glue and Mal had so many injuries most of which should have killed him outright but just gave him a limp, it seemed so wrong that Wash had to die by Reaver spike and Book by the Alliance bully boys carrying out the Operative's scorched earth policy. The pilot will also hold my heart because it came FIRST. It gave us FIREFLY. But I will also love the BDM because I simply couldn't let go after the series ended. And just for the record, I secretly don't believe Book is actually dead. I know, I know, before anyone says it, "Denial (ie the Nile) is not just a river in Africa".
Ali D :~)
You can't take the sky from me...
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congratulations! you win our letter of the week competition! collect your prize now!:)
(seriously, if this don't make to a pod-cast, there's no justice)
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Originally posted by wytchcroft:
congratulations! you win our letter of the week competition! collect your prize now!:)
(seriously, if this don't make to a pod-cast, there's no justice)
Really? I won a prize? Can I ask for it to be a second season of "Firefly"? Big, pretty please with sugar on top!
Ali D :~)
You can't take the sky from me...
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I think fans are uncomfortable with the BDM because Joss used the opportunity to change the verse and people generally don't like change because they view it as something negative. And the changes are abrupt because the story was originally to take place over 2 years, not a week. They become insecure on how they view and understand the verse.
But if you look carefully at the sequence of events in the movie and the discovery of Miranda and its impact on the crew and their relationships it makes sense in order to move the story forward, otherwise the verse stays stagnant where nothing happens and people don't change. That's just not the way life is.
And, after reading the new comics, Wash's death is even more poignant because he had dreams of a life with Zoe that she was unable to create with him. Zoe has too much baggage from the aftermath of the war that she hasn't dealt with or even told Wash about. Also, she insists on staying with Mal, even when her husband wants her to leave so they can start a life together. It eventually becomes a poor choice on her part, and maybe that’s what Joss wants us to see in Wash’s death and not to just to make Zoe a badass again. Though, I have a feeling that’s where the next movie will start with her.
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Originally posted by Platonist:
I think fans are uncomfortable with the BDM because Joss used the opportunity to change the verse and people generally don't like change because they view it as something negative. And the changes are abrupt because the story was originally to take place over 2 years, not a week. They become insecure on how they view and understand the verse.
But if you look carefully at the sequence of events in the movie and the discovery of Miranda and its impact on the crew and their relationships it makes sense in order to move the story forward
i think you're right - i've never fully grasped the supposed continuity shift/breakdown
between the show and the BDM.
It all feels done with a purpose
and everything DOES move forward.
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otherwise the verse stays stagnant where nothing happens and people don't change. That's just not the way life is.
that's always gonna be a hard pill
for fans of any of joss's shows, comics, musicals etc!
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And, after reading the new comics, Wash's death is even more poignant because he had dreams of a life with Zoe that she was unable to create with him. Zoe has too much baggage from the aftermath of the war that she hasn't dealt with or even told Wash about.
yeh... but much as i love the developments in
Better Days, (and i really do) they're retro fitted
after having written/filmed the movie.
(sidebar - my formatting is frakked today -
everything's coming out haiku!)
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Yeh... the comics are a retro fit, but I've always thought that about Zoe... and Wash. It could have worked if she chose her husband and marriage over her misplaced loyalty to Mal and she should have faced the ghosts of her past before she committed to a marriage.
In the comics Joss is developing her flaws like the rest of the crew have. Fans make her and Mal far more heroic then intended.
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Originally posted by Platonist:
In the comics Joss is developing her flaws like the rest of the crew have. Fans make her and Mal far more heroic then intended.
absolutely - not only do i agree but it's one of the reasons
i love the comics and wish more fans would come onboard.
the character development is great:)
(especially, but not exclusively, in Better Days)
and again -
everything done with a steely sense of purpose.
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