More controversy....
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UPDATED: Wednesday, December 15, 2010 13:51
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Originally posted by Shinywash:
... So my vote is for the pilot...
Do you remember when the Operative shot Mal in the back with a laser pistol? "You willing to die for that?" said the Operative. "I am...", says Mal. Bang! Bang! Bang! "But that ain't exactly Plan A." I was shocked when Mal turned his back (AGAIN!!) on the Operative. Implausible. "Nobody's that stupid...", I groaned. "Hush!", said Myriam, next to me in the theater. It turns out that Mal was smarter than I thought, at least in the original 190 pages screenplay.
Anybody got any comments on how unbelievable it was for Mal to turn his back on the Operative rather than fight him? Mal was only 5 easy paces from the Operative. The Operative still had a gun, too, but Mal didn't know it was broken. Mal was very foolish to turn his back toward an enemy with a loaded gun.
If you go to page 169 of the original 190 page script, the generator room where Mal and the Operative have their final fight was laid out differently than the movie. Mal would need to cross 40 feet, going hand over hand, to return to the place where the Operative was hiding from Mal's gunfire. In that situation, it made perfect sense for Mal to turn his back on the Operative. But that wasn't the movie that was made. Which is why I liked the TV pilot Serenity better than the movie Serenity.
The Joss Whedon script for "Serenity", where Wash lives, is at
www.fileden.com/files/2008/8/13/2048723/Serenity-190pages.pdf
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Coming in waaaaay late, but what the heck, its been brought to the surface again. So my vote is: Series pilot, by a mile. It's filled with humanity...the movie is "bigger", but has far less humanity to it...human interaction, "just folk" stuff, the essence of our BDHs. For me at least.
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For me, the BDM.
"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."
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Another late to the discussion:
I'd have to say the pilot.
One thing, as a filmmaker having worked on and made both television programs and feature films, bugs me about the BDM. I enjoyed it immensely, I laughed, I cried, I admired Joss in the feature film form, but I was left with this thought a little while later- the same amount of money spent on the BDM could have given us a whole other season of Firefly. The thought makes my eyes go blurry...dunno why. Maybe something about the disbelief in the way the entertainment industry (and entertainment lawyers) can screw the pooch.
So since, many have weighed in on the original question- here are two more hypothetical ones:
Which would you have had rather- another season of Firefly or the BDM? (I doubt they'll be any surprises with this one, but hey, surprise me)
Since the BDM didn't really make a profit until long after its run in the theaters (and that still is in question, as far as I know, due to the division of the rights to the revenue), which would have made more money for the folks who paid the bills-another season of Firefly or the BDM?
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Quote:I would have wanted another season of TV (20 episodes, 45 minutes each, 900 minutes total) more than another 120 minute movie. The movie could have been made into 4 episodes followed by episodes during the rebuilding of Serenity. With Serenity broke-down, the crew is grounded -- no running away each week to a new planet. They have a whole new set of problems.
Originally posted by Mangolo:
So since, many have weighed in on the original question- here are two more hypothetical ones:
Which would you have had rather- another season of Firefly or the BDM? (I doubt they'll be any surprises with this one, but hey, surprise me)
There could be stories about how River got sane. Comedy when hilariously vulgar Jayne gets a local girlfriend who has kids needing a father figure. The crew can switch from strong arm criminals to con-men. The crew become local heroes because of Miranda! For better pay and longer life expectancy, Kaylee quits Mal to work in the shipyard where Serenity is being repaired. And when that gets boring, the repairs on Serenity are finished and they all take-off for a third season back in outer space.
The TV show will need a long-term villain. Keep the Operative but use him very sparingly; he may have lost his faith in the Parliament, but he is still a patriot of the Alliance. He has secret plans for River. And the show will need a long-term existential danger -- make the Reavers smart and more than cannibal Zombies easily annihilated with a thousand ship-to-ship missiles.
And killing Wash? That was all part of Joss Whedon's secret master plan -- much like killing John Locke on the fabulously successful series Lost. And Joss killed Wash years before Lost killed Locke than brought him back to life. Joss was there first and J.J. Abrams stole the idea because Joss wasn't using it. Same thing with Battlestar Galactica killing Starbuck than miraculously bringing her back to life. If Lost and Battlestar can do it, Firefly can do it better.
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Originally posted by Mangolo:
Since the BDM didn't really make a profit until long after its run in the theaters (and that still is in question, as far as I know, due to the division of the rights to the revenue), which would have made more money for the folks who paid the bills-another season of Firefly or the BDM?
Make more money selling a second season of Firefly on dvd than Serenity movie. (I'm assuming the second season is still on Fox, Friday nights, and has few viewers.) People will pay more for 6 dvd in a season than 1 dvd in a movie.
The Joss Whedon script for "Serenity", where Wash lives, is at
www.fileden.com/files/2008/8/13/2048723/Serenity-190pages.pdf
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Hands down, I would have preferred another season of Firefly over the BDM.
As I stated before, I love the interaction of the characters, their development and the relationships between them that you just can't get in a movie.
Perhaps another season, or at least just letting them finish the first season would have made a difference. Unfortunately, people tend to judge things by their cover and on its cover, Firefly appears like it's "Cowboys in Space", Westerns meet Sci Fi. Okay, so it is, but it really is so much more than that. Joss Whedon, (albeit brilliantly) melded two genres that are niche genres. I personally don't like Westerns nor do I care too much for Sci Fi. So looking at the show's surface, I never would have paid attention to the series when it was originally running, unless someone bashed it into my head how good the show was.
They just needed to give it a little more time for the word to spread, for people to realize the brillance that Firefly is.
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Wow, yeah! I'd have liked another season of Firefly better than the BDM too.
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Nathan is having such success with Castle, now I doubt we can get him back for more than a mini-series.
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Originally posted by Mangolo:
Nathan is having such success with Castle, now I doubt we can get him back for more than a mini-series.
I'd think they'd have ALL moved on with their acting careers by this time, and I don't think the return of Firefly is ever actually going to happen. It's just that when the idea that the cost of making the BDM could have instead paid for another season of Firefly was suggested, and, the question of which was preferable of these two alternatives -- BDM vs. another season's worth of Firefly episodes was asked -- I personally would have rather had the episodes instead of the BDM.
Ah, well....
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Updating the vote totals.
32 for Pilot Serenity, 5 for BDM Serenity.
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