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Wednesday, July 9, 2008 8:39 AM

OK, I understand this could be a touchy subject, but I wonder if others feel the same.

Which do you like better, 2 hour Pilot Serenity, or 2 hour BDM Serenity?

I cannot say I have a definitive favorite right now. I've never seen the pilot on big screen, but have seen several eps after Ariel on a 60-inch hd screen on SciFi channel.
I really enjoy the Pilot, but it doesn't have Rivernator, and Summer's endearing lines don't even appear for the first half. BDM has kick-butt River, but there seems more action, or involvement in the Pilot.

Anybody else in a quandry here?

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Wednesday, July 9, 2008 8:49 AM

2hr Pilot Serenity for me.
Even though it wasn't my intro to the 'Verse (Gorrram F*X), it just seemed to have just the right balance of all the characters. The BDM had Mal and River as the stars, with the rest as support. (I'm still a bit sore about Book not having a more prominent role, BTW...)

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Wednesday, July 9, 2008 10:16 AM

I'm sure I'm on record elsewhere on this board as saying that the BDM is inferior to the worst episode of the series (though not by much.) I'm sticking with that call. Conversely, the pilot was a solid episode - not top 5 but certainly damn good.

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Wednesday, July 9, 2008 11:28 AM

For me it's the Pilot, by a mile. I like a lot of the BDM, but I also find a lot of it disappointing.

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Wednesday, July 9, 2008 1:24 PM

I will also have to vote for the pilot. As much as I loved seeing Serenity on the big screen (the first shot of our beautiful vessel still takes my breath away), the plot was too MAL/RIVER centric for my taste. The beauty of the series was that each character had a significant part to play. I can't say that SERENITY was worse than the worst firefly episode (personally I would rank the movie 8th or 9th), but the pilot beats the movie by a long shot in my opinion.

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Wednesday, July 9, 2008 1:24 PM


Serenity - the pilot - introduced me to the Verse and will always be my favorite.... i mean come on, the Kaylee and strawberry scene was a classic - no?

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Wednesday, July 9, 2008 1:42 PM

after watching them both many times - loving the fact they are both close to joss and nathan's original view of Mal.

...i'm gonna plumb for the BDM.

nothing is ever flawless - and certainly the deleted scenes should all have been included but...

on rpt viewings i find the pilot (after an hour or so of high watermark tv) flattens just a little once it gets to whitefall.

i love the democratic nature of the show as a whole but i can understand why a movie might focus on simply Mal and River. If there had been sequels (sigh) others would have had their turn.

i feel a little sorry for whedon in that even his core audience are liable to be very definite in what they want from him now.

I put the BDM up there in my lists as being a good episode - i mean, i prefer Objects in Space, Out of Gas etc but (Inara aside) it's better than Heart of Gold and some of the others. (IMHO)

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Wednesday, July 9, 2008 2:22 PM

Pilot for me.

1. The Girl in the Box - when River first comes out and starts talking to Simon. I don't know about you folks but I just wanted to take her in my arms and protect her (much as Simon did).

2. "Curse your sudden, but inevitable betrayal" This scene introduces one of the most beloved characters in tv today. Joss set this up perfectly. Wash is us, the decent guy who happens to be the best pilot in the 'verse. Right away we know this guy in just that scene.

3. Kaylee's "You're gonna come with us" nuf said.

4. Pain is scary - in those 3 words we know who Jayne is.

5. The Look that Zoe gives Mal when she finds out that the Alliance "goods" are marked (in Badger's Den) but she never wavers standing by her Captain.

6. The little push that Mal gives Inara when he orders her to escape in the shuttle when being chased by the Reavers.

7. Simon's Speech about his genius sister, Wow.

8. Book's confession to Inara, great scene.

9. Crazy Ivan scene leading up to Kaylee's "That's my girl"

10. Zoe's "Take the helm, sir" right after. Great stuff. Here's this warrior woman, who could probably fight Jayne to a standstill, becoming a complete girl whenever her husband does his cool pilot thing. I simply love that. She lights up when Wash does his thing. Now tell me that ain't brilliant writing.

Should I go on. Not that the BDM doesn't have its moments. More on that later.

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Wednesday, July 9, 2008 2:44 PM

BDM hands down. The pilot is great and all but it's only a piece of a bigger story. If I have to go with a stand alone 2 hours of the verse then the BDM wins easily.

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Wednesday, July 9, 2008 3:05 PM

I have to say, the Pilot. It had everything that the series was about. But the BDM was Mal/River centric *echoes a bunch of people above her*, and it killed off a couple characters that a bunch of people loved, and it was just a dark movie.

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