Is it wrong to be Pro- Alliance ?

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RALLEM

Tuesday, June 17, 2008 1:36 AM

I am pro alliance and would like to start up a purple belly club in Vermont to maybe work with and compete against any local brown coat organizations.

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WYTCHCROFT

Tuesday, June 17, 2008 1:41 AM

it's the outfits right???:)

REGINAROADIE

Tuesday, June 17, 2008 4:27 AM

In just re-reading the tread and what everyone has to say, I think that a lot of points are valid and that like politics, it's a far more complex quandary than one would expect.

I think that when The Alliance did form in the beginning when colonization took place, that there was a genuine drive to make things better and to create a new start for humanity so that they wouldn't face extinction. And that in the beginning, things were good. But then over a few hundred years of prosperity, that the Core became complacent and for themselves, with a lot of "out of sight, out of mind" going on. This lead to the war between the Core and Outer Rims, which made things worse. And I think if the show went on, that we'd see more of the complexity of the Alliance. That there would be the Barak Obama's, Dennis Kucinich's and Al Gore's tucked away between the Dick Cheny's, the Karl Rove's, the Ken DeLay's, the Bush's, etc.

I think if the show went on, by the end of the series, three things Could have happened.

1) Miranda becomes the Alliance's equivalent of Watergate. Lots of investigations, exposes, hearings, a cultural shift in opinion and eventual change in administration. The Alliance itself isn't corrupt. Just the people in charge. And with those people out and new people in, maybe things would change for the better.

2) The Alliance goes bankrupt. Basically, the entire government collapses underneath it's weight, Alliance credits become worthless and the government disbands, turning the 'verse into a free for all with planets becoming their own autonomous governments. Chaos might ensue for a while, but a U.N./Federation organization might evolve.

3) Final season would basically be Joss's season long version of RETURN OF THE JEDI, culminating with Mal flying Serenity into the core of one of the core planets, and firing the shot that blows the main reactor up and destroys The Alliance for good, while Gabriel lifts the Emperor or king or whatever and throws him down into said reactor as well.

While #3 would have been entertaining as all hell, I think #1 would have been more realistic, and #2 realistiv, but to a smaller degree.

I would have also liked to have seen a variation of the famous "What have the Roman's ever done for us?" scene from LIFE OF BRIAN.

"And what has the Alliance ever given us in return?"
"Engines for interstellar travel?"
"What?"
"The engines."
"Oh yeah, they did give us that."
"And colonization."
"Oh yeah, colonization. Remember what the moons were like before that, Mal."
"OK, I'll admit that interstellar travel and colonization are two things the Alliance HAS done for us."
"And the routes."
"Well obviously the routes, I mean that goes without saying. But apart from the interstellar travel, the colonization and the routes-"
"Navigation."
"Irrigation."
"Yeah, all right."
"And the saki."
(agreeing murmurs)
"Yeah, that would be something we'd really miss if they left."
"Communication."
"And it's safer to walk the streets at night now, Mal."
"Yeah, they certainly like to keep order. Let's face it, they're the only ones who could in a place like this."
(Everyone's agrees)
"All right, but apart from travel, colonization, navigation, irrigation, communication, order, saki and the routes..WHAT HAS THE ALLIANCE EVER DONE FOR US!!!"
"Brought peace?"
"OH PEACE. SHUT UP!!!"

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"And it starts with a sentence that might last a lifetime, or it all might just go down in flames. If I let you know me, then why would you want me? Each day I don't is a shame. Each day I don't is a great shame."

Loudon Wainwright III - "Strange Weirdos" off the "Knocked Up" soundtrack

BOOKSWORD

Tuesday, June 24, 2008 3:55 PM

I would totally pay 18 dollars to see that.

( Hell I would pay for any and all Serenity sequeals, hmmm Cartoon movie on DVD ?)

SPACEANJL

Tuesday, June 24, 2008 4:14 PM

OMG, put that scene in the BSR now.

('Cos you just know that Jayne is snacking on a bag of otter's noses, right?)

PURPLEBELLY86

Thursday, June 26, 2008 5:56 AM

Hell... if it's wrong to be pro-Alliance in this 'verse, I'm proud to be wrong.

I love Firefly - wouldn't be here otherwise - but to be honest the first thing most libertarians need is a dose of cold water. Much as they may be annoying and bureaucratic and perhaps restrictive, governments do have a purpose and responsibilities to their public, and tough situations (like natural disasters, et cetera) have this bad tendency to get ugly when that purpose isn't fulfilled. Even within the context of the show, much as the Alliance does things that look somewhat shady, I'm not convinced a 'verse without them would look any better.

ELKSWORTHY

Thursday, July 10, 2008 7:01 AM

Having only become a Browncoat recently, I'm probably not as articulate on the subject as any of you guys, so bear with me.

I'll try to keep this brief. :)

As stated earlier, I think that the Alliance is equivalent to the first-world countries, whereas the outer planets resemble the underdeveloped areas of the world. And as in our world, who's right and who's wrong isn't clear. But I'm an idealist, and I like to think of a world where every country is equal and properly governed... which, while unlikely, seems a hell of a lot more likely without the Alliance in control. The years following an Independent victory would, of course, be extremely hard (especially for those on the central planets, being unaccustomed to poverty), but in the long run I think it would be worth it. It's just a larger-scale version of any revolution (that is, a revolution with uncorrupted people in charge).

Every planet would have equal opportunity to be self-sufficient. With the technology for terraforming, they could manipulate each planet to have ideal living conditions and access to numerous resources. What would be needed would be to entirely eliminate the aristocracy so that every person has an equal opportunity for success.

(ololol communism)

RALLEM

Thursday, July 10, 2008 2:23 PM

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Originally posted by Barticus:
Hmmmm aren't the alliance dressed in grey Nazi SS like uniform....they send killers out to track down people who can be used as secret weapons.....and they experiment on a world wide scale forms of population control!!! How much more 'bad guy' like do you want? What good have they done exactly?

If this is wrong then what is right?

jk

I am pro alliance, and yes some evil things have happened, but I think as a whole thigs will turn out well for everybody. BTW what's a few planetary populations between friends? Anyone have change for 10,000,000 people.

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BARTICUS

Thursday, July 10, 2008 5:52 PM

Wow it's been a while since i thought about firefly (blasphemy i hear you cry) but to add to the thread and after thinking about it for a couple of years i have absolutely gotta say that if anything i am even more anti alliance than ever. I'm often surprised to see Americans supporting the alliance when it's obvious the founding fathers would be on the side of Mal and co...it doesn't matter if the Alliance has some good points, (i'm sure the British empire had a few - for the elite mainly) but overall the Alliance (like the British empire)is restricting, controlling and willing to put anyone to the sword who does not agree with their world view. This inability to even think that THEY might be wrong thus condemns them.
Hope this helps!

JONGSSTRAW

Thursday, July 10, 2008 6:17 PM

Never saw this thread before.....very interesting. The Alliance uses "agents" that leave trails of dead bodies; dead bodies all over the place..ie..Hands of Blue guys just wipe out an entire Alliance squad of police, leave them to fester in their own blood on a Core Planet...and no one is supposed to notice that? The Operative in the BDM wipes out people at the Academy...does anybody care? Who cleans up that mess? The "young miss" that the Operative addresses, what happens to her? Was she killed too, or does she just come back to work tomorrow? Come back and do what? Then the slaughter on Haven, and all of Mal's hangouts....is the citizenry all ok with this? Of course not, they're petrified, just like those living under the oppresive rule of the Nazis, or even the Empire from Star Wars. It is wrong to be pro-Alliance, unless you condone indiscriminate murder of innocents.

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