Enough of the politcal crap!!

POSTED BY: NTXBROWNCOAT
UPDATED: Wednesday, May 12, 2004 05:58
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CHANNAIN

Friday, May 7, 2004 8:54 PM

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Originally posted by BlackoutNights:
So, Channain...how much do you weigh? :)
Heck, I'm sorry, I just couldn't help it. :D

Yeah! What Knibblet said!

No worries.

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KELLAINA

Friday, May 7, 2004 9:52 PM

Isn't it kinda funny that this thread has become almost... political?

Anyway... I've always associated Firefly with the political threads, mostly because I originally lurked around the OB more than here, and at the OB most of the off-topic discussion tends to be political.

I have to agree with whoever (I'm sorry, I knew who said it when I started writing but the name has now completely slipped my mind) said that all of the political discussion is likely due to the sort of people who watch Firefly - people who tend to be passionate and intelligent (kind of like Serenity's crew .

Personally, I rarely participate in the poli threads but I do enjoy reading them and seeing different viewpoints. I find it interesting to see how people from different areas view different events. And I know that there other forums specifically for this, but they don't talk about Firefly and quite frankly tend to be kind of scary.

So, the point of this long and winding thread...
- if it bugs you, don't read it.

But feel free to disagree... that is afterall, the point.

Oh, btw - Welcome NTXBROWNCOAT!!!

MACBAKER

Friday, May 7, 2004 10:23 PM

I coun't agree more NXTBROWNCOAT! I've seen too many good boards ruined by political threads. One person starts his baited rant, slinging the latest political propaganda his (or her) party of choice is spewing. Those that don't agree, respond with their own propaganda, and the thread just continues and slips quickly into a flame war and petty name calling. It never accomplishes anything.

The fact is, I'm tired of hearing the lemmings spout their favorite party's spin on everything. Neither party has the answer, and the sooner we start demanding reform for both parties, nothing is really going to change. Until we have terms limits, a line item veto, income tax reform, and a viable third party, nothing will change. We'll keep shifting back and forth from a socialist party and a facist party, both trying to convince a gullible public that they are moderate.

There, I've given my rant, and you should note that it wasn't anti Bush or anti Kerry, it was anti politics over good government! I'll get off my soapbox, and avoid any other mindless political threads (and I recommend those with common sense to do the same).

Take care.

I'd given some thought to movin' off the edge -- not an ideal location -- thinkin' a place in the middle.

DARKJESTER

Friday, May 7, 2004 10:48 PM

Quote:
Quote:
Originally posted by Knibblet:
I don't listen to the song, "More Than Words".

Quote:
Originally posted by BadgersHat:
... and WHAT, pray tell, is wrong with the song "More than Words"?

My mother taught me to have respect for myself and taught me that any boy who told me that I should 'prove my love' didn't deserve my love.

The lyrics to "More Than Words" are of a male of the species telling a female that she should stop telling him that she loves him and instead, *prove* she loves him. I can only assume this proof would come in the form of her feet being at 10 & 2.

I do not appreciate the disrespectful message of the song and hope that young girls don't fall for the bull in it.

Lyrics to "More Than Words":

Saying 'I Love you' is not the words
I want to hear from you
It's not that I want you not to say
But if you only knew
How easy it would be to show me how you feel
More than words is all you have to do
To make it real then you wouldn't have to say
That you love me 'cuz I'd already know

What would you do if my heart was torn in two
More than words to show you feel
That your love for me is real
What would you say if I took those words away
Then you couldn't make things new
Just by saying I love you

More than words
Now that I've tried to talk to you
And make you understand all you have to do
is close your eyes and just reach out your hands

And touch me hold me close
Don't ever let me go
More than words is all I ever needed you to show
Then you wouldn't have to say
That you love me 'cause I already know

Wow! Guess it goes to show just how different two takes on the same song can be. I LOVE the song. To me, it's someone saying to their partner that words have become shallow. Being in love means not having to constantly say "I love you". Just holding each other can express more than those three words. It never ocurred to me that it could be heard as an attempt to extort sex! Maybe because I'm a guy, and no-one ever tried to use the "If you love me you will" line on me.....

EDIT - That last line is in NO WAY an attempt to belittle Knibblet - sorry, typed first, re-read later!

MAL "You only gotta scare him."
JAYNE "Pain is scary..."

AURAPTOR

Friday, May 7, 2004 11:17 PM

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I just come here to as a welcome escape from the "real" world, and it really bothers me that some of the most active threads are the ones where people have endless arguments over who is right or wrong.

I could not agree more. There is an entire net out there for folks to post their views on what goes on in the real world. This crap about " if you don't care to participate .....then don't click " is horse shit. This is a FIREFLY fans board. We're here to discuss FIREFLY and such related topics. If the owners would care to put up a politics board to discuss earthly matters, that's fine. But I see no reason to pollute this fine board with political myrmidons with their pointless hyperbole and posturing.

" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "

ZOID

Friday, May 7, 2004 11:28 PM

NTXBrowncoat:

I'm totally with you on this one. Political and religious discussions -- apart from speculation about those systems in Firefly -- belong somewhere else. The worst part about tolerating these threads ('if you don't want to talk politics, don't read the threads'), is that people get pissed in those discussions and then cross-post or otherwise leak their filth inappropriately into Firefly-related threads. I 'deeply dislike' reading interesting discussion threads while fearing that some !@#$%(* will evacuate his/her opinion on how evil Party 'A' is, while Party 'B' are clearly the saviours of all that is decent and wholesome. It's like being forced to watch someone vomit spaghetti bolognese...

I thought of at least three other things to say, but every one of them would have made folks fighting mad, so I just won't say them. That's the exact same reason I don't like 'real world' political discussions.

And hey! Welcome to our big happy family! There are a bunch of us who like to speculate on Firefly-related topics here, and we seem to be at least grudgingly tolerated by those with aspirations to political punditry.

Respectfully,

zoid
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SHINY

Friday, May 7, 2004 11:36 PM

I recommend:

1) If you love political discussions with fellow browncoats (generally intelligent and well-spoken people with diverse experiences and viewpoints), spend lots of time at the OB: http://forums.prospero.com/foxfirefly

2) If you like to occasionally see/participate in political discussions, but want to spend most of your time (over)analyzing and (re)hashing Firefly episodes, characters, plotlines, and mysteries, spend lots of time here at FFF.net: http://www.fireflyfans.net

3) If you desperately want to avoid participating in or even seeing political topics/threads, spend most of your time at the Fireflymovie.com board: http://fireflydvd.com/phpBB2/

4) If you want to participate in a Firefly forum that BANS all political discourse...you may have to start your own site/board, because I'm not sure it exists yet.

Please help Haken keep this site running by occasionally clicking on some of the sponsored ad links on the side of the page!

LEMAT

Saturday, May 8, 2004 5:33 PM

NTXBrowncoat,

"Talk story
discuss what ever you want here"

Talk story seems to be the off topic board--especially since every other board has a topic. So it would make sense to me if political discussions were only in that area. Why don't you tell people who start political threads (like the Iraqi prisonner one currently on General Discussions) on the other areas to take it to Talk Story. Hell, if I notice it, I'll tell them to do so. That way, you can escape to one of the topical boards and not have to see the mudslinging.

But, people do have civil political discussions on this board--Ask Zoid, if you want to piss two people off, tell them they are being schrill; you will get a mutual telling off and both individuals will express their friendship to each other. Browncoats want to discuss/argue with smart folks, and who has more smarts than other Browncoats.

Jon

HKCAVALIER

Saturday, May 8, 2004 5:51 PM

I wonder if this idea, "I come to these boards to escape the real world" is a world wide phenomenon or peculiar to the U.S. borne of our isolation and the possibility of thinking that the conflicts in the world don't necessarily affect us. Seems to me that when the whole world is threatened as it is today, it would follow that some of that conflict would "bleed" into most public forums. I'm sorry if you want to escape from even being aware of the outside world, but this is an internet bulletin board, not your drug of choice.

HKCavalier

Hey, hey, hey, don't be mean. We don't have to be mean, because, remember, no matter where you go, there you are.

GHOULMAN

Monday, May 10, 2004 1:09 PM

Aside from what the Admins of this BBS might want...

*sigh*, why is it Right Wing fascists win in America? Prolly because weak, lefty, whiners don't have the guts to stand up for thier beliefs.

When I posted my 'torture' thread the lies just came a flyin' (who knew so many Firefly fans were lieing Nazi pussies?)... and all this week-end even the Right Wing CNN crap agreed with me about the "torture". But you look at that thread and the Right Wing Nazis are still at it.

Well, we need political threads because humans are getting BLOWN UP!!!

Buy a fuggin' clue people.

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