Enough of the politcal crap!!
POSTED BY: NTXBROWNCOAT
UPDATED: Wednesday, May 12, 2004 05:58
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Originally posted by Ghoulman:
^^^
Calling a person a Nazi is appropreate if thier POV parallels the Nazis. Yes, it's name calling. No, that isn't proper Netiquette at all. Sorry... oh wait, I'm not sorry as silence is nothing but agreement.
Is there any other way to make your argument than by calling people coward and Nazi? I'm not arguing against your opinion, I'm just saying that it kinda demeans your position to resort to name calling. The names are what people tend to see and respond to, not the opinion. Isn't the opinion more important?
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^^^ there are lots of people I discuss things with and never call them names. There are trolls and liars who don't deserve that consideration.
As for calling the 'no politics' people something like a cat but not (*chuckle*)... remember this...
First they came for the Communists, but I was silent.
Then they came for the newspaper people, still I was silent.
Then they came for the artists and homosexuals, but I was quiet.
They came for the Roman Catholics and Jews, but as I was neither a Roman Catholic or Jew I said nothing.
And when at last they came for me there was no one to speak for me.
Anglican minister <1939 Germany>
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Originally posted by Ghoulman:
^^^
Calling a person a Nazi is appropreate if thier POV parallels the Nazis. A lot of that is going on these days. And the worst thing about the Nazis were all the people of Germany who walked by the Ghettos and were silent. Guess those people didn't like to talk about politics either?
Yes, it's name calling. No, that isn't proper Netiquette at all. Sorry... oh wait, I'm not sorry as silence is nothing but agreement. Do you agree that torture and invasion are OK? Well, most of the world doesn't. Welcome to the backlash.
It's like this. This is not a 'mature' debate when people lie about what's important. People getting killed is important. People being tortured is important. The USA and Britain lieing through thier teeth and invading another country illegally is important. This is a very, very, very, important time. If people are even too afraid to talk about the truth I don't know what to tell you. If people are afraid to call a coward a coward, a liar a liar, or a Right Wing Nazi just that, I can't but wonder who is worse.
So you'll have to forgive me as I am not going to nurse maid liars. I have spent the last two years watching things go from bad to worse than the Vietnam War. Oh sorry... the Vietnam Conflict *pfft* and have had the army of online Right Wing liars calling me names (some on this board) since this whole Invasion of Iraq started over a year ago.
Hmm... well, I am a rather bitter guy. *chuckle*.
So, if political debate is OK with the Admins on this BBS I can't but think the Right Wing has already won as you people complaining about politics are cowards who just want to hide.
I'd love to thank the few who stode up (like Browncoat1 ! Great posts my brotha') and didn't let the Rush Limbaughs of this BBS just post page after page of horrific and murderous lies.
I for one try to sort the wheat from the chaff when it comes to news. It seems all we get is the watered down or slanted spin on matters of what is going on in the world. It is a well known fact that governments will filter or bury anything they do not want the public to know. When things do get out, like the torture in the prison in Baghdad, then the politicians scramble to throw up the smoke and mirrors, redirecting the blame and coming up w/ deniablity of any knowledge.
Personally, as I stated above, I think any and all parties responsible for the abuse of prisoners in U.S. care should be charged, tried, and sentenced to the maximum penalty of the law. The charges against Pfc. Lynndie England & six other U.S. soldiers is a move in the right direction for dealing w/ this issue. My belief is that anyone in Washington who knew about this abuse will get away without a scratch, unless of course someone higher up the chain of command sacrifices them to save themselves.
Seems the Red Cross had been making reports of problems for some time:
http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/iraq/2004-05-06-red-cross-abuse_x.h
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Makes you wonder who took those reports from the Red Cross & why nothing was done.
I believe little of what the media or politicans have to say. Seems everyone has their own agenda and they are all experts at twisting and subverting the truth.
"May have been the losing side. Still not convinced it was the wrong one."
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OK, this has gone far enough. I never said that political discussions should be done away with completely. I merely stated that there may be a more appropriate forum for those discussions. Enough said, that is my opinion and nothing more.
I do not use this site as my drug of choice. I ask that nobody read into my posts as I tend to write what I mean. I am not trying to allude to anything.
And to Ghoulman, you definately seem to be an all or nothing type of person. That is fine but know this, just like you are completely entrenched in your opinion so are the people you call Nazis. Yelling at them is like yelling at a brick wall. The wall is not going to move. The only thing that happens is you get a headache and others think the crazy person yelling at the wall should be quiet. I don't mean to be insulting with that comment.
If you were inferring that I am a Nazi because I don't want to see the political posts here, well you are mistaken. I do participate in political debates, but I try not to here (though it seems I am doing so right now doesn't it). I am not going to get into which side of the political arguments I am on, and I am not a Nazi for not sharing those opinions here. If you disagree, you and I have a much different opinion on what is a Nazi.
To those with strong political opinions who wish to be heard and think I, and those who agree with me, are trying to suppress your opinion I say this, a well thought out reasonable exchange of opinion is great, but if you really want something done about it tell your representative. Use your vote! Tell them if they don't vote in a way that reflects your opinion, you won't vote for them come time for re-election. Your only true power is your voice, what you have to say. Thank whatever God you believe in that you live in a place that you can express that as you will. You may want to be more productive with your voice though. I doubt you will hear about any major polical movement being started on this website, not until we get much more organized. Have a great day :biggrin !
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Originally posted by Ghoulman:Quote:
Originally posted by rklenseth:
People have been being blown up for a long time or killed or whatever. It is the nature of man as written in The Prince.
If you think you are going to change that by debating it then go ahead but infortuantely I don't think much will change.
Hey Cicero! *throws beer can* WHAP! right in the mellon heh heh.
btw, saying 'talk' will not change anything would be the opposite of Ciceros' philosophies, or so I believe. Politics are everywhere, as Cicero taught us. There is no place it doesn't exist. If we really got down to it, it's completely unavoidable and if you don't meet it head on in your life, mind, and spirit... someone will eventually drop a bomb on you. So don't look all surprised when it happenes.
The point I was trying to make that someone will drop a bomb on you for whatever reason not depending on what you say or don't say. Words can be powerful but does not resolve things Only action can do that.
Oh, and play Cantr II at www.cantr.net.
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Originally posted by Ghoulman:
^^^ there are lots of people I discuss things with and never call them names. There are trolls and liars who don't deserve that consideration.
As for calling the 'no politics' people something like a cat but not (*chuckle*)... remember this...
First they came for the Communists, but I was silent.
Then they came for the newspaper people, still I was silent.
Then they came for the artists and homosexuals, but I was quiet.
They came for the Roman Catholics and Jews, but as I was neither a Roman Catholic or Jew I said nothing.
And when at last they came for me there was no one to speak for me.
Anglican minister <1939 Germany>
Oh, I am Roman Catholic. Does that mean there coming for me again? Damn it. Haven't they learned enough yet to stop screwing with us. Like the last time we kicked their arses.
Oh, and play Cantr II at www.cantr.net.
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Originally posted by Ghoulman:
^^^ there are lots of people I discuss things with and never call them names. There are trolls and liars who don't deserve that consideration.
As for calling the 'no politics' people something like a cat but not (*chuckle*)... remember this...
First they came for the Communists, but I was silent.
Then they came for the newspaper people, still I was silent.
Then they came for the artists and homosexuals, but I was quiet.
They came for the Roman Catholics and Jews, but as I was neither a Roman Catholic or Jew I said nothing.
And when at last they came for me there was no one to speak for me.
Anglican minister <1939 Germany>
Holy crap!
Can you NOT understand that this is a website dedicated to a TV show? Can you NOT understand that there is a difference between censorship and NOT wanting to wade through CRAP like the above trying to read about the TV show? There are 18 MILLION sites on the net devoted to politics... Can't there be JUST ONE that is dedicated to the thing it claims to be?!? JUST ONE?!?!?!?!?! Is that REALLY asking too much?
It seems to me that some people here, such as Ghoulman cannot distinguish the difference between people that prefer polite conversation from those that want to send him to a gas chamber...
Grow up and understand that not everything is about the world... Some people might come to a site called FireFlyFans and want it to be about FireFly...
I would think that the idea of having your own forum dedicated to whatever you want to spew about the world would be appealing for you...
And it would allow people that DON'T want to have to sift through topic after topic of idealogy to find what they are looking for...
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.... It never ocurred to me that it could be heard as an attempt to extort sex! Maybe because I'm a guy, and no-one ever tried to use the "If you love me you will" line on me.....
EDIT - That last line is in NO WAY an attempt to belittle Knibblet - sorry, typed first, re-read later!
Don't dispair of my lack of self-worth.
You'd have to make an effort to belittle or insult me. I don't leap to conclusions or look for insult behind casual commentary.
Besides, I am uglier than a stump (morbid and creepifying is a good description as is corpsified and gross) so ... I'm not likely to get that coersion aimed at me.
"Just keep walkin, preacher man."
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Originally posted by gruesome:
Grow up and understand that not everything is about the world... Some people might come to a site called FireFlyFans and want it to be about FireFly...
As far as I can see, the most active threads tend to be politically related, but, there are more in number for the Firefly related topics. So, you might want to check any number of the other active threads. I think you'll be quite pleased by there Fireflyness.
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gruesome said about Ghoulman:
Holy crap!
Can you NOT understand that this is a website dedicated to a TV show? Can you NOT understand that there is a difference between censorship and NOT wanting to wade through CRAP like the above trying to read about the TV show? There are 18 MILLION sites on the net devoted to politics... Can't there be JUST ONE that is dedicated to the thing it claims to be?!? JUST ONE?!?!?!?!?! Is that REALLY asking too much?
It seems to me that some people here, such as Ghoulman cannot distinguish the difference between people that prefer polite conversation from those that want to send him to a gas chamber...
Grow up and understand that not everything is about the world... Some people might come to a site called FireFlyFans and want it to be about FireFly...
I would think that the idea of having your own forum dedicated to whatever you want to spew about the world would be appealing for you...
And it would allow people that DON'T want to have to sift through topic after topic of idealogy to find what they are looking for...
*chuckle* I'm not sure what you missed about that post or the point of this thread... which is precisely that. I get the feeling you haven't read my political posts?
So, uh, you are right sir... though not about me. Much.
*too self*-> I post one article and suddenly I'm a raving beat poet or something. RKLENSETH, you're a card! lol
and I certainly see your point even if I disagree somewhat. Nicely put.
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