Enough of the politcal crap!!
POSTED BY: NTXBROWNCOAT
UPDATED: Wednesday, May 12, 2004 05:58
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Originally posted by splibertarian:
I would truly appreciate it if a "Non-Firefly Related Political Discussions" forum were added.
While my personal preference would be NO politics, I could probably live with getting them out of the general firefly discussions and into a little coccoon that would be easy to IGNORE...
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Originally posted by NTXBROWNCOAT:
I have been lurking for a while now and haven't posted yet because I didn't really have anything to say. Well that changed today when I came on to check the recent posts and saw not one but two new politically oriented posts. Come on now, don't we get enough of the politcal propaganda (yes I said propaganda) from both ends of the political spectrum everyday on the TV, radio, and every other form of media there is? I know that this won't stop the politcal messages here, but I hope that you can understand my frustration. Yes, I understand that Firefly was a show that was political in nature. I have no problem with discussions about the politics of the Firefly universe. I also think it is pertinent to discuss correlation between the Firefly verse and our own reality. I just suggest that all the purely politcal remarks that have nothing to do with any of Joss Whedon's worlds should find another forum. This is just my opinion. I don't write this to put down anyone's political affiliation. I just come here to as a welcome escape from the "real" world, and it really bothers me that some of the most active threads are the ones where people have endless arguments over who is right or wrong. As a veteran myself, I have one thing to add to the whole thing and I will never touch the political discussion again. Never assume you know the whole story. Never! That applies to everything. (Getting off my soap box) Well, sorry its taken me so long to participate. I hope to be more involved in the future.
I guess you haven't been to the Official Board yet. If you think these Browncoats are a political bunch the Official Firefly Board is much, much more. Hell, even certain cast members (cough*Adam*cough) enters the fray from time to time over there. In fact Adam mostly starts the debates.
Any Firefly forum you go to you will usually hit the political stuff no matter what. It seems to be in the Browncoat blood. I don't see a problem with it. If you don't want to read then don't. I read them to get a good laugh at some of the stupid things that are said and then say a few stupid things myself just to liven things up.
Plus, political debate can lead you to better understand other people and where they are coming from. It can lead you to see the world in a different light which is not always bad.
And the main thing about arguing and debating is to never make it personal and never take anything personally.
Oh, and play Cantr II at www.cantr.net.
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Originally posted by Ghoulman:
Aside from what the Admins of this BBS might want...
*sigh*, why is it Right Wing fascists win in America? Prolly because weak, lefty, whiners don't have the guts to stand up for thier beliefs.
When I posted my 'torture' thread the lies just came a flyin' (who knew so many Firefly fans were lieing Nazi pussies?)... and all this week-end even the Right Wing CNN crap agreed with me about the "torture". But you look at that thread and the Right Wing Nazis are still at it.
Well, we need political threads because humans are getting BLOWN UP!!!
Buy a fuggin' clue people.
People have been being blown up for a long time or killed or whatever. It is the nature of man as written in The Prince.
If you think you are going to change that by debating it then go ahead but infortuantely I don't think much will change.
Oh, and play Cantr II at www.cantr.net.
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Welcome, NTXBrowncoat! 
Just an FYI, I sent a message to Haken asking him to start a forum for "Political Discussions." He's a really busy guy, so he may not be able to get to it right away, but be patient. If/When he gets it done, you'll still see the thread titles on the top 10 threads list on the home page, but they'll have the forum name above them, as with all the other threads and there respective forums. That should make them easier to pick out and avoid, if you so desire.
Keep flyin'!
~A~
...I'm still free,
You can't take the sky from me.
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Folks, I haven't made a formal survey of the "Our President" thread but I have been reading it since it was started and, if memory serves, there are only three major loudmouths on the right and maybe two rude boys on the left causing all the trouble. Oh, and a couple violently anti-conspiracy types yelling and puking for a few posts on the second day. The rest of the maybe 15 to 20 posters have all been pretty civil and informative, with urls and well-spoken arguments. Just as in the larger political arena, we shouldn't let the extremism of a vocal few define the discourse.
HKCavalier
Hey, hey, hey, don't be mean. We don't have to be mean, because, remember, no matter where you go, there you are.
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Originally posted by Ghoulman:
Aside from what the Admins of this BBS might want...
*sigh*, why is it Right Wing fascists win in America? Prolly because weak, lefty, whiners don't have the guts to stand up for thier beliefs.
When I posted my 'torture' thread the lies just came a flyin' (who knew so many Firefly fans were lieing Nazi pussies?)... and all this week-end even the Right Wing CNN crap agreed with me about the "torture". But you look at that thread and the Right Wing Nazis are still at it.
Well, we need political threads because humans are getting BLOWN UP!!!
Buy a fuggin' clue people.
Ghoulman, while I respect your opinion and the right to express it, I find it in very poor taste to start the name calling. As you are entitled to your opinion, so are others, whether you agree w/ them or not, whether they are right or wrong. Name calling shows a lack of restraint and maturity, and I for one find it beneath those that post here.
Labelling someone w/ the name "Nazi" is ridiculous and insulting to say the least. You might wish to refrain from such outbursts.
"May have been the losing side. Still not convinced it was the wrong one."
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^^^
Calling a person a Nazi is appropreate if thier POV parallels the Nazis. A lot of that is going on these days. And the worst thing about the Nazis were all the people of Germany who walked by the Ghettos and were silent. Guess those people didn't like to talk about politics either?
Yes, it's name calling. No, that isn't proper Netiquette at all. Sorry... oh wait, I'm not sorry as silence is nothing but agreement. Do you agree that torture and invasion are OK? Well, most of the world doesn't. Welcome to the backlash.
It's like this. This is not a 'mature' debate when people lie about what's important. People getting killed is important. People being tortured is important. The USA and Britain lieing through thier teeth and invading another country illegally is important. This is a very, very, very, important time. If people are even too afraid to talk about the truth I don't know what to tell you. If people are afraid to call a coward a coward, a liar a liar, or a Right Wing Nazi just that, I can't but wonder who is worse.
So you'll have to forgive me as I am not going to nurse maid liars. I have spent the last two years watching things go from bad to worse than the Vietnam War. Oh sorry... the Vietnam Conflict *pfft* and have had the army of online Right Wing liars calling me names (some on this board) since this whole Invasion of Iraq started over a year ago.
Hmm... well, I am a rather bitter guy. *chuckle*.
So, if political debate is OK with the Admins on this BBS I can't but think the Right Wing has already won as you people complaining about politics are cowards who just want to hide.
I'd love to thank the few who stode up (like Browncoat1 ! Great posts my brotha') and didn't let the Rush Limbaughs of this BBS just post page after page of horrific and murderous lies.
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Quote:I can certainly see where the 'General Discussion' forum may not be the best place for political subject threads. Sure, you can avoid them but Haken may not like the feel of having that messyness somewhere he'd rather see nothing but Firefly.. er, goodness.
Originally posted by Astriana:
SNIP!
If it really bothers you that much, you could send Haken an e-mail via the messaging system here, suggesting that he start a "Political Discussions" forum - much like the "Firefly Universe" for the role players, "Angelus Arcanum" for Angel fans, etc.
Troll Country might be good. Some BBSs like to have a 'Neutral Zone' forum for the wild and wolly bits of BBS life.
It's all good.
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It seems almost like the discussion has moved from whether political threads have a place here, to whether any type of political discussion in any thread should be allowed.
I really don't see how the latter can be accomplished (and I don't really think it should be). All of us have our own opinions about Firefly and the stories and characters and so on. These beliefs are all influenced by experiences, values, morals, religion etc. Which are the same things that help define how we think about the Firefly world. Ultimately some politics tends to creep into most discussions (whose hotter threads notwithstanding 
) but I think that is only natural. To me, Firefly is a fairly political show (Alliance vs Independents etc) which is one of many reasons why I like it. It doesn't 'play it safe' (for example: condemning companioning would be safe since its inline with current public opinion).
I still stick by my opinion that if you don't like it don't read it. If enough people do that the threads will probably start to disappear as their popularity wanes since the majority of people who have responded have indicated they don't participate.
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Originally posted by rklenseth:
People have been being blown up for a long time or killed or whatever. It is the nature of man as written in The Prince.
If you think you are going to change that by debating it then go ahead but infortuantely I don't think much will change.
Hey Cicero! *throws beer can* WHAP! right in the mellon heh heh.
btw, saying 'talk' will not change anything would be the opposite of Ciceros' philosophies, or so I believe. Politics are everywhere, as Cicero taught us. There is no place it doesn't exist. If we really got down to it, it's completely unavoidable and if you don't meet it head on in your life, mind, and spirit... someone will eventually drop a bomb on you. So don't look all surprised when it happenes.
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