Polygamist Pedophiles and Papal Pontifications
POSTED BY: deadlockvictim
UPDATED: Wednesday, May 28, 2008 01:32
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Quote:Frem, are you saying that these gun-buying folk would be saying "Well, that's different!" if the YFZ ranch had been emptied on a plainly valid warrant?
... which eventually pissed off the USDOJ and things went all cowboy from there - and now that they've had a taste of hoo-rah, they're fiending for more, and eyeballing people who WILL kill some of them rather than be masscared like what happened in Waco, or functionally destroyed like what happened here.
I doubt it. They prolly wouldn't accept the action with or without a valid warrant since they prolly don't accept the authority of the State to define crime, and they don't strike me as being paperwork people. The State may have blown their case or portions of their case with their handling of the FDLS - or not, that remains to be see- but the State prolly hasn't lost credibility with these people you keep referring to because I doubt there was any to begin with.
Whether taking the children away from YFZ was done with or without a valid warrant, they'd be buying guns anyway.
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Deadlockvictim
I've never once painted the FLDS as Little House on the Prarie, and your entire post pisses me off as much as Rue saying that I support pedophilia en masse. It's just plain bullshit.
Show me the history of Mormanism. Show me the history of Mormanism that isn't written by somebody who obviously hated it there and probably was one of the abused. Show me the history of Mormanism that isn't talked about on cable news shows 24 hours a day. Have you read their scriptures? Do you know anything about them but hearsay that you can truly judge the community as a whole?
What you're talking about here is racism through religious intolerance.
It would be like me saying that every Muslim in the world wants to kill everyone in America because that's what I heard Bill O'Riley say the Queran tells them to do. Granted, I don't want Obama being president because I fear his background in light of current events in the world, but I wouldn't tell anyone he should be deported or locked up because of his beliefs.
And for the sake of argument, let's just hypothetically say that the brainwashing you speak of is community wide and everyone growing up in it is screwed from birth to be zombies of the church. How dare you make villians of the men in the community who were brainwashed along with all of the girls when they were boys?
I can't even discuss this with you because your biases are so obscenely obtuse.
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Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
I can't even discuss this with you because your biases are so obscenely obtuse.
I think you are reading more into my post than is actually there - being biased was not my intention - I was simply offering information on alternative reading material and commenting on the content -
If you are looking for a prolonged theological argument on be merits or lack thereof of any particular religious sect or cult... you are barking up the wrong burning bush...
I really don't put much stock in such superstitious dogma...
sorry for pissing you off -
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Quote:Eh, no. The contending groups (FDLS/ Texas) appear to be primarily of the same race so you can cross "racism" off the list.
What you're talking about here is racism through religious intolerance.
AFA religious "intolerance"- IMHO a religion must follow the laws of the land. Period. That means... among other things... no pedophilia and no bride-kidnapping (as practiced by the Hmong in Central California).
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The asshattery continues...
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080516/ap_on_re_us/polygamist_retreat
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Texas checking how many sect 'girls' are women
SAN ANTONIO - When Texas child welfare authorities released statistics showing nearly 60 percent of the teen girls taken from a polygamist sect's ranch were pregnant or had children, they seemed to prove what was alleged all along: The sect commonly pushed girls into marriage and sex.
But in the past week, the state has twice been forced to admit "girls" who gave birth while in state custody are actually adults. One was 22 and claims she showed state officials a Utah birth certificate shortly after she and more than 400 minors were seized from the west Texas ranch in an April raid.
The state has in custody two dozen other young mothers and others whose ages are in dispute. If most of them also turn out to be adults, it would be a severe blow to the state's claim of widespread sexual abuse.
If it turns out the other 24 disputed minors are adults, the number of actual 14- to 17-year-old girls with children could drop to as low as five or six. That would amount to about one-fifth of the girls that age found at the ranch — substantially higher than the average rate of teen pregnancies in Texas but a far cry from 60 percent.
Question: When the state fails to follow the simplest laws and procedures, are the people who live under it freed from any similar obligation?
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Originally posted by deadlockvictim:Quote:
Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
I can't even discuss this with you because your biases are so obscenely obtuse.
I think you are reading more into my post than is actually there - being biased was not my intention - I was simply offering information on alternative reading material and commenting on the content -
If you are looking for a prolonged theological argument on be merits or lack thereof of any particular religious sect or cult... you are barking up the wrong burning bush...
I really don't put much stock in such superstitious dogma...
sorry for pissing you off -
Sorry... probably did read more into it. More likely I injected memories of things other people have said and lumped you in with them. I can be a jerk in here somtimes, I admit it.
I'm just stating that:
a) The Government stepped well beyond it's authority and shat on the Constitution when it went through with this, regardless of any noble intentions.
and b) If this was a brainwashing cult, the boys weren't immune to it growing up and are just as much victims as the women are. If we're all suppoed to be equal, I would really like to stop seeing media and judicial bias always favor the woman for no reason other than she is the woman.
As for superstisious dogma, you're perfectly free to believe what you will. I don't know what I believe in, but I see no reason that there couldn't be a god. Citizen will back me up and say that Science never once claimed to prove the existance or lack of a greater power. I view anyone who flat out claims there is no god to be just as silly as a brainwashed cult member. Not that you have said that with words, but your actions seem to say it for you.
No problem about pissing me off. I like it anyways. Hope I didn't hurt your feelings or nothing.
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Quote:It depends on whether you want to see full-on revolution or not. If not, you'll take them up to SCOTUS if necessary, and press your state Legislators and Congresspeople for a lawful resolution. If you do- be prepared, because "the State" outguns you by a considerable amount and going off half-cocked is a surefire way to get people killed.
When the state fails to follow the simplest laws and procedures, are the people who live under it freed from any similar obligation?
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Shitload of hearings today, not really a lot of time to comment, especially since mister grigg has said a lot of it for me...
http://freedominourtime.blogspot.com/2008/05/texas-child-grab-another-
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One thing that WILL be introduced today elsewhere is conspiracy charges against the local police and CPS, since substantial evidence exists that this whole she-bang was a pre-existing plan and executed with the full intent of wrecking these folks homes, belief system and stripping them of thier children as a punitive gesture for apparently no better reason than being "different".
And when I say substantial evidence, I mean exactly that, we've been silently collecting it all the while, mind you, and the damn fools weren't even TRYING to hide it, so there we are.
Problem is, as with CPS, the folks being charged are going to be also in charge of the investigation, which means it'll likely go nowhere since they've evidenced no real desire or intent to comply with the law whatsoever, all the way down the line.
Only reason we're pressin it is that the alternatives are uglier.
And no, wasn't ignoring the earlier comment/question regarding purchases, it's just that at THIS point, I am no longer legally ABLE to discuss that end of the matter, period.
Sorry, but I have really important reasons for that, and it's a side issue besides.
And I have work to do, folks...
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"... with the full intent of wrecking these folks homes, belief system and stripping them of thier children as a punitive gesture for apparently no better reason than being "different"."
And with the underage marriage thing, illegal. Don't forget illegal. 
Got this from the paper:
"In addition to 51st District Judge Barbara Walther, who has presided over the case, the following judges will preside over the hearings, court officials said this morning:
119th District Judge Ben Woodward
340th District Judge Jay Weatherby
391st District Judge Tom Gossett
Retired Judge Marilyn Aboussie, former chief justice of the state's 3rd Court of Appeals."
Are Woodward, Weatherby, Gossett and Aboussie in on this too ? 'Cause it sure would knock the conspiracy to shit if these additional judges didn't go along with 'the plan'.
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