Polygamist Pedophiles and Papal Pontifications
POSTED BY: deadlockvictim
UPDATED: Wednesday, May 28, 2008 01:32
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Of it's own will ?
Not a chance in hell, the wheels of justice in stuff like this only turn when a whole bunch of angry people get to cranking them.
Remember the evidence above, which WAS given the Third Court of Appeals in Austin before I mentioned it here, proving without a doubt that this was done in bad faith.
And yesterdays incident was enough to definately decide matters - they're not gonna admit fault, hell no, but I don't really give a shit whether they do or don't at this point.
And now that our bloodprice has been met...
And provided they don't renege at the last minute like they have with many of these hearings we were promised, but, as long as the State obeys this courts directive, and given the way they've played it so far I am skeptical, mind you...
Then our priority shifts to removing the bad actors from the community as speedily as possible and putting them somewhere that they ain't a danger to that community - they'll get their day in court, by the book, and it won't matter a bit if folks are smart enough to proceed on legally obtained evidence alone.
Of course, I doubt they'll take my reccomendation that the proper place to put em is at the bottom of the puget sound, but it's the spirit of the thing.
No time at the moment to discuss it more, cause this opens a holy hell of paperwork to sort, process and put in the hands of the correct folk to have it - won't be chaos since we have a contingency plan, but it's a LOT of work, and we gotta get to it.
I might have to tap some of my people off that even since I doubt the State will lay on transportation to put these folk back together or that most of em would even wait for it, so whoever we can spare to drive the van is gonna get a workout - might even be me since my folk don't need handholding to do the job.
More info when I know more.
-F
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Frem
I just had to say that. B/c the price of making blanket judgments and pretending 'they' are all the same is that you can't recognize your resources and the good things available to you.
Government, like fear, is a good servant but bad master. We need to make it our servant so that it works for us and we can get good from it that we otherwise wouldn't have.
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In that we are in agreement, that's always my point innit ?
That we're the boss, they're supposed to be in service to us, and not vice-versa.
A lotta what I do amounts to trying to put the leash on and make them remember that when they've forgotten it - just because I would rather dispense with the flawed system we have doesn't mean I don't recognize that we're not socially or emotionally ready for that yet, cause I have stated that quite a number of times.
And soon imma be away for a bit, I got stuck with driving the van by virtue of the argument that as a cab driver and chauffer, I happen to be the most qualified for the job at hand, and in spite of my dislike for religious folk am least likely to be annoyed by a van full of kids for hours on end - soon as they start releasing them back to their parents, I may be too busy to comment further for a while depending on the transportation situation.
It's damned bizarre being honored by folk who know full and well you dislike them bitterly, there's a deep strangeness in our tolerance here.
I don't like them one bit, and yet fought tooth and claw for them, they don't like me any better, yet have treated me with the utmost respect and kindness...
If we can do it, why the hell can't the rest of the world ?
-Frem
It cannot be said enough, those who do not learn from history, are doomed to endlessly repeat it
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More of the Details of a decision :
http://www.cnn.com/2008/CRIME/05/22/flds.ruling/index.html?eref=rss_to
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Quote:
Originally posted by rue:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/05/22/ AR2008052200548.html?hpid=artslot
Court: Texas had no right to take polygamists' kids
SAN ANGELO, Texas -- A state appellate court has ruled that child welfare officials had no right to seize more than 400 children living at a polygamist sect's ranch.
Interesting turn of events. Who would have thought the power-mad, oppressive, monolithic apparatus of 'the state' that Frem rails against so much could do this.
So this is your position now? Pretty slick how it's done a complete 180 don't cha think?
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Show me the 180.
But I think the problem is that in your partisan and dull-witted way you don't 'get' reality. It is possible for there to be underage forced marriage and for the state to not have met its legal requirements - both at the same time. Strange how that could be.
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Quote:
Originally posted by rue:
It is possible for there to be underage forced marriage and for the state to not have met its legal requirements - both at the same time. Strange how that could be.
But according to you, one is not contingent on the other. Why follow proper procedures when there were potential underage victims?
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Was that ever her arguement? I thought she was saying that if abuses existed the state was compelled to act on them rather than do nothing and let the abuse continue.
ie religious freedom does not extend to breaking the law.
Or did I miss something?
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"Why follow proper procedures when there were potential underage victims?"
By initial reports, everyone did act properly.
If you go back and actually read what I wrote (strange as that idea might be), I said many, many times (probably four or five) that I could find NO connection between the calls made to a woman's shelter in Texas which prompted the raid, and the calls made to a woman's shelter in Arizona where it became apparent (weeks later) there was a hoaxer. The idea that the police 'knew' it was a hoax but went in anyway wasn't supported by any facts I found. I also said that given the nature of the claims the police were obligated to investigate.
Further, given the information in the media at the time there seemed to be a widespread pattern of underage marriages - a high percent age of girls that were or had been pregnant - which put all girls generally at risk.
Since then Frem posted that the police tracked down the alleged abuser BEFORE the raid and that he had an airtight alibi. Additionally, the ages of some of the girls/ women (it's not definitive how many) have been adjusted upward.
Therefore, while there are definitive documented cases of forced underage marriages - one of which put Warren Jeffs in jail, two of which are reported by recent 'escapees' and one which was found by the DNA testing and presented today in that case - it looks less likely that there is a widespread pattern that would put girls at risk generally. (However, I reserve my final opinion on this till the rest of the DNA evidence comes out, assuming it ever does. Nothing beats hard evidence.)
I also want to say we still don't know the facts of the situation. There are still many young girls who HAD been pregnant. Should DNA trace children back to them simple math can determine how young they were when they conceived. And, in that society, underage pregnancy can only be attributed to underage marriage. There is no other explanation. Therefore it would be evidence of illegalities practiced part and parcel with the religion.
But we'll see how things shake out. Personally, I'm still waiting for the DNA evidence, b/c it's the only thing that will satisfy my need for facts. And it is literally the only thing that can lay all the snakes straight.
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Gross-out of the day
http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/years/2008/0527081flds1.html
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