Why George Bush is a great man & a very good President
POSTED BY: chrisisall
UPDATED: Friday, June 13, 2008 02:56
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ok, so what is it...? Seven months of the Bush Regime left..? What's the worst that could happen.. wait, don't answer that.
Hopefully we can somehow put these past eight years behind us - it seems that we have lost so much in those years. I read recently that an estimated 8 out of 10 Americans believe that this country is on the wrong path, or has lost it's center - that, I blame on Bush - his shortsightedness in regards to the welfare of the citizens of this country is staggering...
As most of you know, I have never been a fan of Bush or the entire neo-con agenda - so yeah, I am biased. But the thing that really bothers me more is the fact that there are so many in this country who supported these guys, not once, but twice - and in fact, still do.
If a nation is only as good as it's leaders, then aren't the people who elect those leaders ultimately responsible for the results...
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Originally posted by citizen:
Boris has no policies, and was elected on the platform of "the other guy is wrong". Cameron is running on a platform of "the other guy is wrong". Notice a pattern at all? Neither has any policies of their own, and I note with some dissatisfaction, how British politics seems to be slowly sliding into the mire of Americanised races of personality. With a dissatisfied public merely saying "the other guy is wrong", might serve to get elected, but it doesn't make for a workable policy.
I agree that the Tories and Labour (and the Lib Dems) don't have any real, meaningful policies. IMHO (you may disagree) we need another Thatcher - someone who will do what he/she thinks is right, and not back-down when the going gets touch.
However, Boris has got policies. He pretty much instantly (as a quick example) came out with trying to ban alcohol on public transport, and instantly the unions started saying it was impossible. It's not his fault that unions don't like change.
And Cameron does have some good policies, as a very basic example the inheritance tax fiasco (which Labour then knicked). However I still agree that neither Labour nor the Tories have any real policies.
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Originally posted by citizen:
Also, in case you haven't noticed (which evidently you haven't) I've not really endorsed either Ken Livingstone nor Gordon Brown. Gordon Brown is evidently someone ideal suited to being 'number 2' and I haven't voted Labour in years. I don't see that Ken has done a disastrous job in London, certainly not bad enough to be replaced by the laughing stock of 'Have I Got News for you". Many of the current problems of this country stem from the Major and Thatcher regimes, and Labour has merely been too incompetent to set them straight. I'm sure as hell not ready to stick the people that caused them in the first place back in power, because Labour haven't fixed them though.
Fair enough, and I did notice you weren't endorsing either of them.
But seriously... you don't like Thatcher? She was the best thing to happen to this country... short of sliced bread.
Okay, I won't go there
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Originally posted by citizen:Quote:No, it's just an ad Hominem.
Originally posted by BigDamnNobody:
Now that's an ad hominem and red herring.
And here I thought this thread was about Bush, not Finn.
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Quote:Which is why I haven't a clue who to vote for come the next election. For the safety of clearly delineated camps so I don't need to think about such things...
Originally posted by tristanperry:
I agree that the Tories and Labour (and the Lib Dems) don't have any real, meaningful policies. IMHO (you may disagree) we need another Thatcher - someone who will do what he/she thinks is right, and not back-down when the going gets touch.
Quote:I disagree, I think that's the sort of thing one does when one doesn't have any policies.
However, Boris has got policies. He pretty much instantly (as a quick example) came out with trying to ban alcohol on public transport, and instantly the unions started saying it was impossible. It's not his fault that unions don't like change.
Quote:In that case I retract the 'evidently hadn't'. It seemed you were speaking to me as a supporter of both.
Fair enough, and I did notice you weren't endorsing either of them.
Quote:Destruction of British Industry, neglect of the NHS, policies that promoted car ownership as a basic right everyone must have, whether they want to drive or not, policies for house ownership that's helped to push UK prices to higher than nearly anywhere else in the world, mishandling of a certain situation that led the Argentinians to believe that Britain wouldn't fight for the Falklands...
But seriously... you don't like Thatcher? She was the best thing to happen to this country... short of sliced bread.
Sure, a slow downward trend after the Second World War was reversed during Thatcher's time, but I wonder if that is because, or in spite of, her regime.
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Quote:Whatever its about, your attempt at revenge is no more on topic than anything else
Originally posted by BigDamnNobody:
And here I thought this thread was about Bush, not Finn.
However, since I wasn't trying to deflect from any point Finn was trying to make, it can't be a Red Herring. A Red Herring is off topic, but not all off Topic posts are a Red Herring, geddit?
More insane ramblings by the people who brought you beeeer milkshakes!
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Originally posted by citizen:
Which is why I haven't a clue who to vote for come the next election. For the safety of clearly delineated camps so I don't need to think about such things...
Me neither. I'm probably going Tories just in the hope that a more right-wing back-bench will be better than a more left-wing back-bench, although realistically it won't matter who I vote for (although I think at the moment that Labour are becoming a real liability at the helm of fiscal policy.. heh
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Originally posted by citizen:
I disagree, I think that's the sort of thing one does when one doesn't have any policies.
Maybe so, only time will tell
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Originally posted by citizen:
In that case I retract the 'evidently hadn't'. It seemed you were speaking to me as a supporter of both.
Sure thing
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Originally posted by citizen:
Destruction of British Industry, neglect of the NHS, policies that promoted car ownership as a basic right everyone must have, whether they want to drive or not, policies for house ownership that's helped to push UK prices to higher than nearly anywhere else in the world, mishandling of a certain situation that led the Argentinians to believe that Britain wouldn't fight for the Falklands...
Sure, a slow downward trend after the Second World War was reversed during Thatcher's time, but I wonder if that is because, or in spite of, her regime.
Destruction of UK industry was down to the TUs resisting change. We were being controlled by the Trade Unions, and ultimately they needed tackling at some point. It was obviously always going to be a political nightmare, although someone had to do it.
And private house ownership is something that loads of people (where I live) somehow praise Labour for (the voters around here suck - they honestly believe that being allowed to buy your council house was a Labour policy..) It is a popular move overall, IMHO.
Either way, she actually stood up for herself and did what she thought was right. I haven't seen/heard of that since Thatcher.
And if there was a left-wing Thatcher, I'd greatly respect him/her too (albeit I'd completely disagree with his/her policies).
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Originally posted by SignyM:Quote:Damnit! There you go again asking Finn more questions! Don't you realize that question marks set off a little firestorm in his brain? C'mon man! Have a heart!
how you read that, and then jump to spuer tights is utterly amazing. Did you stop taking your meds, or something?
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Let's party like it's 1929.
Right, right. I forget. It's just fun, the firestorm is pretty.
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Originally posted by citizen:Quote:Let me get this straight. You're surprised that Finn can only converse by misrepresenting what someone else said?
Originally posted by Storymark:
Did you stop taking your meds, or something?
How long have you been posting here again?
Clearly not enough to have learned my lesson. I'm used that that stuff from Rappy, but I though, for some reason, that Finn was capable of more rational discourse.
Must have imagined it. My appologies for feeding the troll.
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Originally posted by Storymark:
My appologies for feeding the troll.
No apologies needed, basic ingrained survival instincts prevent you from putting down the fork. You really have less control over it than you think you do.
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And this is really interesting, because you accept that this whole thing is a fabrication, but you can’t imagine not going allow with it. You convinced yourself that, it doesn’t matter what the truth actually is, just that the perception created by the media is the only real truth. So someone in the media created an imaginary two-dimensional perception, and you accept it and even defend it as it if is real.
I think the difference is, you DON'T accept things that are obviously fabrications (Saddam's WMD, for example). I didn't say that Bush doing nothing was a fabrication - I said that even the perception that he was doing SOMETHING would have helped. Think along the lines of "If nothing we do matters, then all that matters is what we do." And for that to matter, you have to first DO SOMETHING!
Did Nero really fiddle while Rome burned? Historians say no - but the PERCEPTION was that he did nothing. And realistically, what was he going to do, put out the fires by himself? But because he was seen as not doing anything, that's the image that stuck throughout history. Bush will have the same image, fiddling away while the towers collapsed, fiddling away while Katrina flooded, fiddling away while the economy collapsed, and playing an encore in the face of global climate change...
My opposition to the Bush regime comes from the knowledge that he is simply not a bright person. He lacks intelligence (in more ways than one, as evidenced on 9/11 and after), he lacks curiosity, he lacks reasoning skills; in short, he's certainly not one of his father's "thousand points of light". In that analogy, he's the dim bulb.
Mike
"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence[sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero, Real World Event Discussions
I can't help the sinking feeling that my country is now being run by people who read "1984" not as a cautionary tale, but rather as an instruction manual. - Michael Mock
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