Why George Bush is a great man & a very good President
POSTED BY: chrisisall
UPDATED: Friday, June 13, 2008 02:56
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{quote]...as far as anyone knew this was World War III. Maybe he should have used his cell phone and called in orders to the joint chiefs? That only works in the movies. Maybe he should have run back to the Whitehouse?
Yes, as far as anyone knew, this was WWIII, so having the leader of the most powerful nation on Earth sitting on his thumbs isn't exactly the best idea...
You don't think the President of the United States of America is able to be in touch with his Administration when he's out of the White House? Seriously? He couldn't have gotten any updates, any briefing, any intel, because he wasn't at the "Whitehouse"? That, my friend, is a sad state of affairs, because by implication, it means that our current President has been out of touch and not in control of his Administration for more than one-third of his tenure in that office.
Mike
"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence[sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero, Real World Event Discussions
I can't help the sinking feeling that my country is now being run by people who read "1984" not as a cautionary tale, but rather as an instruction manual. - Michael Mock
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Quote:How do you know he wasn’t trying to receiving intel? You don’t. In fact he was. But most of the leaders were scattered across the world, at that time. Here is this dramatic tv idea that the president is like a warlord who charges into battle at the head of his army and micromanages every event of the battle. It’s ingrained into the tv generation, I guess.
Originally posted by Kwicko:
You don't think the President of the United States of America is able to be in touch with his Administration when he's out of the White House? Seriously? He couldn't have gotten any updates, any briefing, any intel, because he wasn't at the "Whitehouse"? That, my friend, is a sad state of affairs, because by implication, it means that our current President has been out of touch and not in control of his Administration for more than one-third of his tenure in that office.
As a general rule, the president should avoid micromanaging events of war or disasters, since he’s not a trained military general or disaster relief personnel.
Nihil est incertius vulgo, nihil obscurius voluntate hominum, nihil fallacius ratione tota comitiorum.
Nothing is more unpredictable than the mob, nothing more obscure than public opinion, nothing more deceptive than the whole political system.
-- Cicero
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Originally posted by chrisisall:
List it my peeps; I need some good fantasy...
I wanted to jump in on this, but with 121 posts of Bush bashing, I figured it'd get old quick, so many apologies ahead of time if this had already been posted.
Truth is, I don't hate the man. I'm sure he believe that he did the best he could do with what he was given. For anyone to think that just because he held the title of President of the United States that he is the most powerful man in the free world is pure fantasy. He is just somebody that the truly powerful and behind the scenes guys for life have to put up with for 4 or at most 8 years. More important is the party behind the president in determining how important events are handled.
Unfortunately, I have no more love for Obama or Clinton in the race than I have McCain because neither of them will do anything but make life harder and give me more to bitch about. Being a middle-class earner and saver leaning much closer to lower-class than burnin' Benjamins rich, there isn't a serious presidental candidate out there that will do anything different for me.
All those sad truths being said, I have a few lighter reasons that Bush is a great man.
1) If the Demoncrats win, he will give us something to look back on and wish we still had.
2) If the Rethuglicans win, he will serve as a template for imperialism worldwide and privacy annhialation stateside. This template will actually be acquired by Microsoft in a hostile takeover of the American Government and be available to the Alex P. Keatonites as part of the MS Office 2010 features.
3) The man and his father were so badass that they had beer named after them before I was born because they were destined to be great men. Forget about that stupid library Mr. President. You have a beer named after you, which was named before you. The beer of the people. Does anybody even go to a library anymore? When is the last time that you were at a libary Mr. President?
And Now I bid you all farewell. I am heading for the mountains of Bush while this entire world shitstorm blows over. Bonus, 'cause if the icecaps melt like you crazy Science folk say it's pretty high and dry up here.
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The man was utterly clueless that fateful morning. Our country was under attack and he didn't do his job....period. An adult ( is he one ) could have just said..." Hey kids, your President needs to leave for a minute." No kid would have been traumatized by that. Then he could have done his Presidential thing...like find out what the fuck was going on. I still would like to know why the Bin Laden family was rounded up and flown out of America. Has that ever been answered? Then the jerk challenges the Taliban to surrender Osama, as if they ever would...he gives them 30 days...30 fucking days...result? Bin Laden gone, Mullah Omar gone, Al Zawahiri gone! Shit, I would have leveled Kabul that night. He chose to send our troops into staging areas outside Iraq all the while giving the phony appearance of UN cooperation. Iraq WAS a stable place under the Huesseins, and it was a great adversary against Iran...we needed Saddam and his ruthless regime to keep the religious maniacs in check...so what happens...Osama & boys are gone..then the country goes into anarchy & civil war...with our troops in the crossfire as high value targets. I hope someday to see Cheney & Rumsfeld sent to prison for their roles in these debacles. I expected better from them.
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Quote:He could do that just fine where he was.
Originally posted by Jongsstraw:
The man was utterly clueless that fateful morning. Our country was under attack and he didn't do his job....period. An adult ( is he one ) could have just said..." Hey kids, your President needs to leave for a minute." No kid would have been traumatized by that. Then he could have done his Presidential thing...like find out what the fuck was going on.
Quote:Never happened.
Originally posted by Jongsstraw:
I still would like to know why the Bin Laden family was rounded up and flown out of America. Has that ever been answered?
Quote:And how would you have justified that?
Originally posted by Jongsstraw:
Then the jerk challenges the Taliban to surrender Osama, as if they ever would...he gives them 30 days...30 fucking days...result? Bin Laden gone, Mullah Omar gone, Al Zawahiri gone! Shit, I would have leveled Kabul that night.
Nihil est incertius vulgo, nihil obscurius voluntate hominum, nihil fallacius ratione tota comitiorum.
Nothing is more unpredictable than the mob, nothing more obscure than public opinion, nothing more deceptive than the whole political system.
-- Cicero
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Maybe there ain't no funny left in this thread, cause I ain't read it, but that certainly wasn't funny Jongs.... and just as certainly I can't disagree with any of that and knowing where you used to stand that's saying quite a bit about your position now. Wish I had a better answer for the vote in November, but once again as is always, the media controls what people vote for and we've got 3 horrible answers to the question "How do we make it right for our kids now?"
The only right answer to that question is to build a Firefly and put as much distance between you and this rock as you can before they reach adulthood. 
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Quote:But he didn't. I saw the video of his elementary-school visit. There were no whispered conferences, or written or Blackberried communication. Nothing. Finn, you need to see for yourself exactly what DID happen because you're defending something that is apparently totally unknown to you.
He could do that just fine where he was.
As much as you prolly hate Michael Moore, the only media presentation of what actually DID happen is in that movie. Nothing speaks louder than the events themselves, recorded faithfully by a videocam.
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Originally posted by Finn mac Cumhal:Quote:He could do that just fine where he was.
Originally posted by Jongsstraw:
The man was utterly clueless that fateful morning. Our country was under attack and he didn't do his job....period. An adult ( is he one ) could have just said..." Hey kids, your President needs to leave for a minute." No kid would have been traumatized by that. Then he could have done his Presidential thing...like find out what the fuck was going on.Quote:Never happened.
Originally posted by Jongsstraw:
I still would like to know why the Bin Laden family was rounded up and flown out of America. Has that ever been answered?Quote:And how would you have justified that?
Originally posted by Jongsstraw:
Then the jerk challenges the Taliban to surrender Osama, as if they ever would...he gives them 30 days...30 fucking days...result? Bin Laden gone, Mullah Omar gone, Al Zawahiri gone! Shit, I would have leveled Kabul that night.
a) He wasted potentially valuable minutes before leaving the kids. Maybe those minutes were needed for command & control. Maybe there were going to be more hijacked planes being used as missiles, maybe there were going to be coordinated bombings across America. Commander in Chief needs to be on the horn to his military & civilian subordinates to prepare for invasion, or plan a defense against further attacks.
b) Bin Laden Family....I don't know...you say with authority something else.
c) An act of war is an act of war...3,000 dead American civilians is justification to strike back.
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He could do that just fine where he was.
The operative word in that statement being "could". He COULD do that; he simply chose not to.
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Originally posted by Jongsstraw:
I still would like to know why the Bin Laden family was rounded up and flown out of America. Has that ever been answered?
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Never happened.
Ahhhh - once again, all those news sources are simply making that up. Time, Newsweek, CBS, NBC, ABC, Fox, the New York Times, the Wall Street Journal, the Pentagon, the White House...
This has been reported on more than a few times. No Administration source has denied it, that I've ever seen. It's been reported as fact, and never disputed or disproved. So you're saying that there was no flight allowed out of the US in the days immediately following 9/11?
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Originally posted by Jongsstraw:
Then the jerk challenges the Taliban to surrender Osama, as if they ever would...he gives them 30 days...30 fucking days...result? Bin Laden gone, Mullah Omar gone, Al Zawahiri gone! Shit, I would have leveled Kabul that night.
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And how would you have justified that?
I'm not sure I would have "levelled" Kabul, but certainly there would have been immediate retaliation. And there was no need to "justify" that retaliation to anyone - the world was actually on our side at that point, and fully expected us to retaliate, and the Taliban, if not directly responsible, were known to be giving safe haven and safe passage to Bin Laden and crew.
Mike
"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence[sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero, Real World Event Discussions
I can't help the sinking feeling that my country is now being run by people who read "1984" not as a cautionary tale, but rather as an instruction manual. - Michael Mock
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Quote:That’s certainly the movie image of a president that sticks in most people’s minds, but the reality is that things were very confused in those first few minutes. Leaders were scattered. There was serious communications problems at every end. And as much as we perhaps don’t like to believe it, there was very little the president, or any of the leaders, could have done at that point. We were operating on emergency management routines. Local emergency personnel sprung into action and operated completely independent of any command and control, which is precisely what it was designed to do. And precisely how we managed to get through that with so few casualties. If you start depending on impossible image of a single person to solve the problems, things are going to fall apart quick.
Originally posted by Jongsstraw:
a) He wasted potentially valuable minutes before leaving the kids. Maybe those minutes were needed for command & control. Maybe there were going to be more hijacked planes being used as missiles, maybe there were going to be coordinated bombings across America. Commander in Chief needs to be on the horn to his military & civilian subordinates to prepare for invasion, or plan a defense against further attacks.
Quote:Don’t take my word for it. Look it up. It never happened. I don’t know how that story got started, but it’s not true.
Originally posted by Jongsstraw:
b) Bin Laden Family....I don't know...you say with authority something else.
Quote:It was a covert act of war. Although I agree with you that Afghanistan was that responsible national party behind that act of war, they weren't going to openly admit it, so we had to force their hand for diplomatic reasons. I don't have a lot of real complaints with how Afghanistan was handled.
Originally posted by Jongsstraw:
c) An act of war is an act of war...3,000 dead American civilians is justification to strike back.
Nihil est incertius vulgo, nihil obscurius voluntate hominum, nihil fallacius ratione tota comitiorum.
Nothing is more unpredictable than the mob, nothing more obscure than public opinion, nothing more deceptive than the whole political system.
-- Cicero
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