Waterboarding- the real deal
POSTED BY: SignyM
UPDATED: Friday, May 9, 2008 01:12
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Originally posted by rue:
Too may people here - Kirkules is only one example - already 'know' all they want to know. Asking them to include more information in an unbiased way that contradicts what they believe - is pointless.
They will never - and I mean absolutely, categorically never - avail themselves of the entire set of information.
It's true that I look at information different than you do. I believe the USA is basically good and when we make mistakes it's not generally due to evil intent. You on the other hand, think that the USA is bad and when things go wrong you assume that it is the result of our evil nature. The main difference between you and me is that I don't delude myself into thinking I'm an unbiased observer like you do. I freely admit my biases for all to consider. The fact that I look at the same info as you and come to a different conclusion might mean I'm biased, but more likely it just means your dead wrong.
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Too true, Rue. And then when things (the economy, the climate, world opinion, domestic security, you-name-it) blow up on them they wonder WTF happend.
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Quote:You believe...
I believe the USA is basically good
Well, I don't. I also don't believe "the USA is evil". I don't think that it's possible to encompass the entire population of the USA under one banner ("the USA") and in fact I'm not sure that "good and evil" are adequate descriptors for every possible behavior throughout our history. I do think it's possible for a small group of powerful people to take over a basically well-meaning population. I also think that social dynamics develop outside of any group beliefs. (For example power concentrates in ANY society.) So in general I find your "beliefs" silly and irrelevant. But if you want to wave your banner and you think it's somehow meaningful or insightful, have at it.
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Quote:Are you saying by my reaction, because I'm just talking to AURaptor how he speaks to me and anyone else who doesn't pray at the altar of George Bush (who is his hero, judging by the reaction). At the end of the day, the only violent reactionary, who shares anything with Muslim fanaticism here, is AURaptor.
Originally posted by Kirkules:
Since when is Muslim a Race? It sounds to me like Auraptor knows what he's talking about, judging by the reaction.
Quote:As operatives from MI6 are watching you and AURaptor for your constant anti-non-American propaganda
Him and his buddies at the Agency have probably been watching Citizen ever since he first started spouting anti-American propaganda here.
.More insane ramblings by the people who brought you beeeer milkshakes!
No one can see their reflection in running water. It is only in still water that we can see.
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Cites, please.
I'm sorry I really can't be bothered looking anything up re this. I know that's me being lame
Different countries do have different rules of engagement, that's a given. When they go to war together that can be an issue. Where is the chain of command? Caused friction in WW2 and it still does today.
THe US military have a reputation for being more, er gung ho, for the want of a better expression. I know in the Balkans war there was an issue with a Canadian military chief refusing to follow an Ameican order about bombing a hospital (where enemy fire was coming from).
NATO forces have always been considered 'softer' than US ones and that pisses off the US military as well.
My response was really aimed at the poster who claimed that no country does more to protect civilian lives than the US, and I'm sorry, I just don't believe it. Doesn't mean I think that you're the Evil Empire either, just not shiny white in the world.
AS for the question about intent...does the US mean well? I'd say that the US, like other countries in the world, is predominantly self serving. The self serving is dressed up in patriotic clap trap as far as I can see, and some people swallow it and some people don't.
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