Waterboarding- the real deal
POSTED BY: SignyM
UPDATED: Friday, May 9, 2008 01:12
VIEWED: 11112
PAGE 21 of 23
Quote:
Originally posted by Kwicko:
As far as Iraqi civilians, the British medical journal "The Lancet" used their typical medical methodology, and figured the number of dead Iraqis at closer to 650,000 since the invasion.
I'm sure you realize that they were looking at all deaths and not just those that resulted from the war. The mortality rate from all causes did go up, but we can hardly be blamed for deaths due to old age and auto accidents. Many of the deaths were revenge, Iraqis killing Iraqis.
NOTIFY: N | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
Quote:
Originally posted by SignyM:
Fortunately, I took a big chunk of dollars and invested it in foreign currency and gold. Did you do that too? ---------------------------------
How's that gold thing working out for you lately. Remember, I'm the one that told you to short gold when it hit $1,000/oz. It's like I'm psychic or something. You still have time to dump your gold before it goes down another $200 dollars over the next year. http://www.fireflyfans.net/thread.asp?b=18&t=32331
NOTIFY: N | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
I'm shifting into other commodities. Specifically, I'm looking at agricultural commodities. Even MORE specifically, I'm looking at the agricultural commodity index DBA (Deutsche Bank Agriculture. It's been a little on the high side, but the fundamentals look good so I'm buying on a cost-weighted average.
---------------------------------
Let's party like it's 1929.
NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
Quote:
Originally posted by SignyM:Quote:No, not specifically as it happened. But I knew there was nothing preventing a big attack. I thought it might be radiological or biological, so I was somewhat relieved it wasn't worse. (Altho strangely, the pilot show of The Lone Gunmen got the whole 9-11 thing almost perfectly, including terrorists flying a plane into the WTC. Considering that it aired about six months before 9-11 I'd say the writers should get the Crystal Ball Award.)
I'm sure you saw 9/11 coming, SPECIFICALLY like that, and not just some car bomb, right ? I call B.S. on that, sorry. How's about you call on something BEFORE it happens?
AFA predicting stuff... I predicted SO MANY things that it got me followed by an alphabet agency. But that was all on another board. And that server crashed so those particular posts can't even be accessed. So I'll just have to point to my prediction of the current economic mess and the meltdown of the dollar. Fortunately, I took a big chunk of dollars and invested it in foreign currency and gold. Did you do that too? Or did yet another significant event take you by surprise... again?
.
Self congratulating prophets always pat themselves on the back- after the fact, never tell us what's going to happen. Look, you've got your fingers on the economic pulse of the world, darn skippy for ya . But the issue here that you're dodging is that Americans INTENTIONALLY killed 1000's of civilians and tortured " in the name of freedom " . Guess what ? Millions of civilians died in WW's 1 and 2 also, and the world actually thanked us for that too. As tragic as it was, it had to be done, while it also cost us in many 1000's of our own lives as well. And no country takes more time and effort to AVOID civilian causalities than the USA. Yes, full of faults, like any other nation, but the USA also goes to great lengths to do good for people, far more than ever gets reported by the M.S.M.
Again, the story has been told and retold a million times over , and yet we still get yahoos like you , pointing the finger of accusation on the USA, as if no other country isn't 1000 x's worse, all the while you ignore what GOOD the USA has done as well.
It is not those who use the term "Islamo-Fascism" who are sullying the name of Islam; it is the Islamo-Fascists. - Dennis Prager
" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "
NOTIFY: N | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
Quote:
The idea that we've killed "millions" is just stupid, no country in the world does more to avoid civilian casualties than we do.
That's not actually true. The US military's rules of engagement are a lot 'looser' with regards to civilian targets than most of its allies. A situation which has caused numerous problems co-ordinating forces.
NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
Quote:
Originally posted by Magonsdaughter:Quote:
The idea that we've killed "millions" is just stupid, no country in the world does more to avoid civilian casualties than we do.
That's not actually true. The US military's rules of engagement are a lot 'looser' with regards to civilian targets than most of its allies. A situation which has caused numerous problems co-ordinating forces.
The US is the dominant force in the area, so generally speaking, more times than not, it's the one involved in 'engagement'. I stand by my statement, that we've called off multiple actions because of risk to civilians. More so than any other country , placed in a similar situation.
It is not those who use the term "Islamo-Fascism" who are sullying the name of Islam; it is the Islamo-Fascists. - Dennis Prager
" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "
NOTIFY: N | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
Quote:
Originally posted by Magonsdaughter:
The US military's rules of engagement are a lot 'looser' with regards to civilian targets than most of its allies.
Cites, please.
"Keep the Shiny side up"
NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
Quote:
...and yet we still get yahoos like you , pointing the finger of accusation on the USA, as if no other country isn't 1000 x's worse, all the while you ignore what GOOD the USA has done as well.
Which is a valid point. I'm not acting as if there aren't other countries that are worse - in so many aspects; I'm saying that WE can be BETTER. I think America is a pretty damned good place to live, but that doesn't mean that it's paradise on Earth. There's room to improve.
And speaking of the GOOD the USA has done, why isn't more made of that? Why do you have to search and search and search just to find out how much more money the Bush Administration has given to fight AIDS in Africa? With so much BAD news coming out, and so much of it reflecting negatively on the Administration, you'd think that someone would want to play up the contributions made by them.
Mike
"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence[sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero, Real World Event Discussions
I can't help the sinking feeling that my country is now being run by people who read "1984" not as a cautionary tale, but rather as an instruction manual. - Michael Mock
NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
Quote:I'm not avoiding it, I was at the dentist. So in response: Iraq, Vietnam, Nicaragua, Guatemala, Honduras, Chile, Indonesia, Native Americans (a genocide of epic proportions), Hiroshima and Nagasaki, slavery... about 2.5 million civilians died in Vietnam alone. Our history is replete with targeting civilians.
But the issue here that you're dodging is that Americans INTENTIONALLY killed 1000's of civilians and tortured " in the name of freedom " .
Quote:blah blah blah... yadda yadda yadda...
And no country takes more time and effort to AVOID civilian causalities than the USA. Yes, full of faults, like any other nation
Quote:You said categorically that the United States does not torture and kill innocent civilians. Not that we're "better" than others, or that our causes are somehow more just, or that people thank us for killing them (That must be why the Iraqis are so grateful to us, neh?) but that we don't kill or torture innocent civilians. Are you not standing by that point?
and yet we still get yahoos like you , pointing the finger of accusation on the USA, as if no other country isn't 1000 x's worse, all the while you ignore what GOOD the USA has done as well.
---------------------------------
Let's party like it's 1929.
NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
Yeah, I'm standing by that point. If you're gonna convict the US of today of deeds and events from hundreds of yrs ago, even events which predate the country, then you're talking to yourself. As for the nukes, more Japanese civilians died from conventional bombs than did in both Hiroshima and Nagasaki. Had the U.S. NOT dropped those 2 bombs, many, MANY more civilians would have died. Not to mention the cost of US soldiers lives, as the war would have been extended months and maybe even years.
We're talking about current times, and events under the control of folks TODAY, not about that which occurred beyond our ability to control. That's for a different thread.
It is not those who use the term "Islamo-Fascism" who are sullying the name of Islam; it is the Islamo-Fascists. - Dennis Prager
" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "
NOTIFY: N | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME