Waterboarding- the real deal
POSTED BY: SignyM
UPDATED: Friday, May 9, 2008 01:12
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Originally posted by chrisisall:
if we TARGET creeps, KNOWING civies will be greased in the process, ain't it effectively the same thing?
If we do not target creeps thinking that civies might be hurt, what do we do about the civies hurt who are targeted by creeps?
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That had a kind of poetry to it, sir.
Zoeisall
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Originally posted by chrisisall:Quote:But Mr. Disinformation agency guy, if we TARGET creeps, KNOWING civies will be greased in the process, ain't it effectively the same thing?
Originally posted by AURaptor:
We certainly haven't targeted any civilians, as the terrorist have
(And is it possible to answer without using the phrase "collateral damage"? Thanks.)
Operativeisall
I don't remember a big outcry in the US when the Clinton administration bombed the hell out of civilians in Bosnia. Am I the only one that called that chicken shit at the time? Clinton was so afraid that putting boots on the ground would hurt his poll numbers he was willing to accept civilian losses. At least in Iraq we've got soldiers on the ground giving their lives to protect civilians and minimise the death of innocents. The idea that we've killed "millions" is just stupid, no country in the world does more to avoid civilian casualties than we do. How do you fight an enemy that hides behind women and children? I guess we could just stand by while they kill us, so you consciences can be clear, but they will kill "millions" if we do.
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Let me see...when we got Noriega we shot AT the shanty town surrounding his palace because we didn't want to hurt the home of our next puppet...that's just the first glaring incident that comes to mind...
Does it mean NOTHING to anyone that most folk that were gonna die by Saddam's orders were already dead by 2003 and that by invading Iraq, like, a hundred thousand peeps died that wouldn't have if we didn't?
That's a question I want to see someone dance around.
Bipeds.
EDIT: and yeah, Clinton was a screw up also.
The last angry Chrisisall
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Originally posted by SignyM:Quote:No, the burden of proof in on YOU since YOU made the statement that
The burden of proof lies upon you to show where we haveQuote:You're wrong, you KNOW you're wrong, and its just too friggin' obvious that you're trying to dodge your own statement. It's downright embarrassing. But hey, it's stuck like a piece of toilet paper on your shoe.
We don't torture and kill innocentsQuote:I saw it coming, you friggin' moron. It didn't take a genius to connect the dots from the embassy bombings to the Cole to home soil. It just takes someone who's not so snowed by propaganda that they can't wake up.
And yes, as for 9/11, everyone was unprepared and no one saw it comin'.
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No, you made the assertion,
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Originally posted by SignyM: Who torture and kill in the name of freedom!
I simply refuted it because you had no proof. And please tell me you're not talking about Abu Ghraib, or some such crap like that. It's been done to death, and those thugs who committed those crimes were punished. And there's NO torture down at Gitmo, in fact, it's always been quite the opposite. It's prison, after all, for killers and terrorist. Not a gorram day camp for troubled jihadist.
I'm sure you saw 9/11 coming, SPECIFICALLY like that, and not just some car bomb, right ? I call B.S. on that, sorry. How's about you call on something BEFORE it happens?
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Originally posted by chrisisall:
Let me see...when we got Noriega we shot AT the shanty town surrounding his palace because we didn't want to hurt the home of our next puppet...that's just the first glaring incident that comes to mind...
Does it mean NOTHING to anyone that most folk that were gonna die by Saddam's orders were already dead by 2003 and that by invading Iraq, like, a hundred thousand peeps died that wouldn't have if we didn't?
That's a question I want to see someone dance around.
Bipeds.
EDIT: and yeah, Clinton was a screw up also.
I have personally talked to two guys that were in Panama, one was a Ranger and I think the other was a Marine. Both were wounded, and both said it was friendly fire. That operation was so screwed up they said they couldn't say much about it because it was classified. I suspect you are referring to the AC-130 that apparently did a lot of damage friendly and otherwise.
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Since when is Muslim a Race?
I thought about that just after I posted it (see the post just after that).
So what DO you call someone who is prejudiced against others based solely on their religious beliefs? A "religionist"?
I thought of anti-Semitism, and figured if you call someone with anti-Semitic beliefs a racist, then an anti-Muslim would probably qualify as well.
Crapper seems to have it in his head that all Muslims are necessarily evil, simply because of the deplorable actions of a few. I'd lay it at his feet that I can make the same claim about Christianity. Hitler, Mussolini, Li'l Timmy McVeigh, the Columbine Kids, Charlie Manson... all were Christian. Does that mean that ALL Christians are mass murderers, psychopaths, terrorists, and fuckheads?
Well, maybe that last part...
Mike
"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence[sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero, Real World Event Discussions
I can't help the sinking feeling that my country is now being run by people who read "1984" not as a cautionary tale, but rather as an instruction manual. - Michael Mock
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Originally posted by chrisisall:
Let me see...when we got Noriega we shot AT the shanty town surrounding his palace because we didn't want to hurt the home of our next puppet...that's just the first glaring incident that comes to mind...
Does it mean NOTHING to anyone that most folk that were gonna die by Saddam's orders were already dead by 2003 and that by invading Iraq, like, a hundred thousand peeps died that wouldn't have if we didn't?
That's a question I want to see someone dance around.
Bipeds.
EDIT: and yeah, Clinton was a screw up also.
The last angry Chrisisall
Ah, yes... Good ol' Noriega and "Operation Just Because"...
As far as Iraqi civilians, the British medical journal "The Lancet" used their typical medical methodology, and figured the number of dead Iraqis at closer to 650,000 since the invasion. And that was on the LOW end of the estimated range. To date, several have questioned the numbers, but no one has questioned the methodology for how they arrived at those numbers.
'Course, that won't stop shitbirds like 'Crapper from trying to sound the old "but they're a liberal propaganda front!" routine. So far as I've been able to find out, The Lancet is a world-renowned medical journal, on par with our Journal of the American Medical Association (JAMA).
And calling 'Crapper a "biped" is an insult - to bipeds. You're only *assuming* that he can walk on two legs. I've seen no evidence that he's not a knuckle-dragging dullard.
Mike
"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence[sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero, Real World Event Discussions
I can't help the sinking feeling that my country is now being run by people who read "1984" not as a cautionary tale, but rather as an instruction manual. - Michael Mock
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Quote:No, not specifically as it happened. But I knew there was nothing preventing a big attack. I thought it might be radiological or biological, so I was somewhat relieved it wasn't worse. (Altho strangely, the pilot show of The Lone Gunmen got the whole 9-11 thing almost perfectly, including terrorists flying a plane into the WTC. Considering that it aired about six months before 9-11 I'd say the writers should get the Crystal Ball Award.)
I'm sure you saw 9/11 coming, SPECIFICALLY like that, and not just some car bomb, right ? I call B.S. on that, sorry. How's about you call on something BEFORE it happens?
AFA predicting stuff... I predicted SO MANY things that it got me followed by an alphabet agency. But that was all on another board. And that server crashed so those particular posts can't even be accessed. So I'll just have to point to my prediction of the current economic mess and the meltdown of the dollar. Fortunately, I took a big chunk of dollars and invested it in foreign currency and gold. Did you do that too? Or did yet another significant event take you by surprise... again?
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Quote:I was refering specifically the the stealth fighter 'testing', they made like it was an error when they 'found out' that hundreds or more died in the palace 'show of force'....but I guess that wasn't the only snafu on that op.
Originally posted by Kirkules:
I suspect you are referring to the AC-130 that apparently did a lot of damage friendly and otherwise.
Hey! Cheney was in on that on some level too, wasn't he? He has a history of 'problems'.
Chrisisall
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