Polygamist Pedophiles and Papal Pontifications

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FINN MAC CUMHAL

Friday, April 18, 2008 1:51 PM

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Originally posted by EmpireX:
We sue doctors and lawyers for malpractice. Why not a church leader?

I have no problem suing church leaders for covering up criminal actions or even charging them with a crime. But we don’t sue the entire medical field or the entire legal field for the malpractice of a single doctor or lawyer or even a handful of doctors and lawyers. So why is it that you want to talk in terms of the “Catholic Church” or the “Church.” Isn’t it possible that you’re painting with too broad of a brush. Do you really think every Catholic or even every Catholic minister covered it up?

Nihil est incertius vulgo, nihil obscurius voluntate hominum, nihil fallacius ratione tota comitiorum.

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-- Cicero

SIGNYM

Friday, April 18, 2008 1:54 PM

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The truth is, you and I will never in our lives know what really happened there. We will hear testimony that damns them, but I'm sure there was a lot of good that happened there too and it probably wasn't a "cult"

Look, IMHO all religions are cults. Anyone who encourages others to believe in invisible friends, invisible enemies, or both is not helping them out in terms of mental health. The only thing separating the Catholic Church from the FDLS from Muslims, Protestants, and Buddhists is that certain religions are socially accepted in certain areas and others are not.

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NEW YORK — A passenger who left his seat to pray in the back of a plane before it took off, ignoring flight attendants' orders to return, was removed by an airport security guard, a witness and the airline said. The man, who wore a full beard... stood near the lavatories and began saying his prayers while the United Airlines jet was being boarded at John F. Kennedy International Airport on Wednesday night, fellow passenger Ori Brafman said.

You might think this man was Muslim, but he was an Orthodox Jew. As I said, IMHO they're ALL loony-tunes.

But my understanding was that pedophilia was part and parcel of their belief system and that sooner or later, no matter how much "good" they may have been doing, eventually ALL girl-children would be subject to that practice. I don't think there was any way to "weed out" the "bad actors" because they were ALL supporting the same belief system.

AFA what 'really" happens there... most people in that cult like being there. Most of the kids will feel terribly disrupted. Even people who left voluntarily, feeling that they'd be "damned to hell", not knowing anything of the outside world, have profound "homesickness". Boys more so than girls, but that's to be expected because boys were treated a lot better. One boy who was exiled for breaking some minor law - which BTW reserves the girls for the old farts- said that he greatly missed the feeling of "family", that you knew that no matter where you went there would always be a hot meal and a seat at the table for you (prepared, of course, by women).

I think these people are reacting to the sick, uber-competitive culture that we've created. It's too bad that their only options seems to be exploitation by some pedophile.

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6IXSTRINGJACK

Friday, April 18, 2008 2:41 PM

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Look, IMHO all religions are cults. Anyone who encourages others to believe in invisible friends, invisible enemies, or both is not helping them out in terms of mental health. The only thing separating the Catholic Church from the FDLS from Muslims, Protestants, and Buddhists is that certain religions are socially accepted in certain areas and others are not.

I respect your opinion, but you must understand that people who think the way that you do are just part of the ever increasingly large cult of Big Brother. Nobody wants to see that their own way of thinking has the possiblity of being flawed, and I'm not directly saying that yours is, but I'm just pointing out that your belief here is no less strong than the belief of a Christian, Muslim, Buddist, or an Orthodox Jew. If it wasn't, you woudn't even bother posting it here and aruging about it.

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NEW YORK — A passenger who left his seat to pray in the back of a plane before it took off, ignoring flight attendants' orders to return, was removed by an airport security guard, a witness and the airline said. The man, who wore a full beard... stood near the lavatories and began saying his prayers while the United Airlines jet was being boarded at John F. Kennedy International Airport on Wednesday night, fellow passenger Ori Brafman said.

You might think this man was Muslim, but he was an Orthodox Jew. As I said, IMHO they're ALL loony-tunes.

True, many people might, but I think you know that I would try to learn a bit more about it before automatically jumping to the Bushite response of "Down with the Muslim!" I might not want a Muslim running our country at this time, but I wasn't one of the guys going to the 7/11 after 9/11 stabbing Muslims with a kitchen knife.

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But my understanding was that pedophilia was part and parcel of their belief system and that sooner or later, no matter how much "good" they may have been doing, eventually ALL girl-children would be subject to that practice. I don't think there was any way to "weed out" the "bad actors" because they were ALL supporting the same belief system.

AFA what 'really" happens there... most people in that cult like being there. Most of the kids will feel terribly disrupted. Even people who left voluntarily, feeling that they'd be "damned to hell", not knowing anything of the outside world, have profound "homesickness". Boys more so than girls, but that's to be expected because boys were treated a lot better. One boy who was exiled for breaking some minor law - which BTW reserves the girls for the old farts- said that he greatly missed the feeling of "family", that you knew that no matter where you went there would always be a hot meal and a seat at the table for you (prepared, of course, by women).

I think these people are reacting to the sick, uber-competitive culture that we've created. It's too bad that their only options seems to be exploitation by some pedophile.

Here's the laws of consent in this country. It even suprised me because I grew up in Illionis and I thought the whole world lived by the 18 years old rule: http://www.coolnurse.com/consent.htm

Now if they're doing it younger, then hey, get Hero over here to prosecute the shit out of them. I don't belive the entire "cult" was doing this, but you've bought into it so whatever.

While we're at it, we should probably make the entire island of Japan a prison. You want to talk about a sexually messed up population, go over there for a week or two... All I got to say is, used schoolgirl panties in vending machines...

http://www.snopes.com/risque/kinky/panties.asp

Of course, I belive snopes as much as I believe FOX or MSNBC, but if that shit is really happening there on top of the giant robotical monsters that wreak havoc on Tokyo on a daily basis, I think our tax dollars would be better spent fighting Mothra.

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PIRATECAT

Friday, April 18, 2008 2:56 PM

48 day cares close in california. Audit by the state had pervs living in 48 of them. They go where the kids are. Evil can't stand the innocent. Time to lock and load.

"Battle of Serenity, Mal. Besides Zoe here, how many-" "I'm talkin at you! How many men in your platoon came out of their alive".

6IXSTRINGJACK

Friday, April 18, 2008 3:01 PM

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Originally posted by PirateCat:
48 day cares close in california. Audit by the state had pervs living in 48 of them. They go where the kids are. Evil can't stand the innocent. Time to lock and load.

That's right Piratecat.

I'd say "Amen Brother!" but somebody might nail me to a cross if I did.

"A government is a body of people, usually notably ungoverned." http://www.myspace.com/6ixstringjack

HERO

Friday, April 18, 2008 3:04 PM

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Originally posted by Kirkules:
I wasn't saying that every individual Catholic should be sued for the actions of a few priests. The Catholic church should have the same liability as any other group or corporation. When a corporation gets sued for wrongdoing by one of their employees, all the stock holders in the corporation are punished when a huge reward goes to a plaintiff.

Corporations are legal entities that, among other things, afford special liability protections for the investors. Stockholders are not personally liable (which means they can't be personally sued or lose their assets) for the actions of the corporation. Its called the corporate veil and it can only be piered in the most narrow of circumstance.

For example. You own a grocery store and a fella slips and falls on spilled milk that your employee admits spilling and choosing not to clean up. You could be sued and potentially lose everything...not just the store. However, if you incorporated your business then your personal assets would be shielded from the same risk.

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As far as your bad neighbor argument goes, I might have some liability if we are both in the same homeowners association. If the neighbor doesn't comply with City laws, and then abandons the property, the City will then come after the HOA.

No, the City can only pursue the homeowner, the association has no legal requirement to force compliance with City codes (although I could see some kinda situation where the association adopts rules in conflict with the City code in which case the argument is between the three parties). The only responsibility the HOA has is for the common areas that it holds as its own property (jointly owned with the whole association). A good HOA will adopt a rule madating compliance with City codes so that the HOA and the City will be on the same side or any conflict.

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DEADLOCKVICTIM

Friday, April 18, 2008 3:11 PM

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Originally posted by kaykayf:
just so you all know FLDS member are NOT Mormons, sorry this just bugs the b-jesus outta me...

You are absolutely right... I never intended to give that impression in this thread. I apologize if you got that inference from me.

These are Fundamentalists who take an extremely literal view of the Bible - or at least the parts that suits their needs...

I was merely referring to a couple of articles that appeared in my local newspaper - that they ran on the same day and that they were basically covering the same topic.

Edit: by Bible I am referring to the Book of Mormon

6IXSTRINGJACK

Friday, April 18, 2008 3:35 PM

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Originally posted by Hero:
However, if you incorporated your business then your personal assets would be shielded from the same risk.

Gotta love LLC's man. It's why the new management of my apartment complex never salted and I couldn't drive my LTD boat that gets 4 miles to the gallon out of my complex for a month when the ice was 2 1/2 inches thick. Even had a neighbor curse when my bro almost slipped on the ice but caught himself. When my brother said "What!?" when he recovered, the guy said "I was hoping somebody would crack their head open so they could sue those bastards".

Gotta be nice to know that if you have the money to pay good lawyers that you can shield yourself from the liability to take care of the people that you would otherwise be obligated to worry about their well being. Kudos to Congress for passing whatever laws that wreaked that travesty on mankind....

Limited Liability Corporation indeed.....

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DEADLOCKVICTIM

Friday, April 18, 2008 3:42 PM

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Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
and I'll even buy the booze.

dude... i'm drinkin Chivas....

EMPIREX

Friday, April 18, 2008 4:16 PM

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Originally posted by Finn mac Cumhal:
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Originally posted by EmpireX:
We sue doctors and lawyers for malpractice. Why not a church leader?
I have no problem suing church leaders for covering up criminal actions or even charging them with a crime. But we don’t sue the entire medical field or the entire legal field for the malpractice of a single doctor or lawyer or even a handful of doctors and lawyers. So why is it that you want to talk in terms of the “Catholic Church” or the “Church.” Isn’t it possible that you’re painting with too broad of a brush. Do you really think every Catholic or even every Catholic minister covered it up?

Of course not. Of course not every Catholic or priest assisted in the coverup. That would be a ridiculous thing to even suggest. But when a church official - granted power by a church- a CHOSEN REPRESENTATIVE of the church - assists in the coverup of a CRIME, then I feel that church is partly liable for putting such people in positions of power.

"Can you, for a moment, imagine how depressing it is to teach one thousand years of masculine ineptitude? Why do you think there are so few women historians? I'll tell you why. Because history is not such a frolic for women as it is for men... History is a commentary on the various and continuing incapabilities of men. History is women following behind with a bucket and a mop." - Alan Bennett, "The History Boys"

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