Polygamist Pedophiles and Papal Pontifications
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Many cultures have puberty rites to acknowledge the change of status at puberty, but EVEN AFTER THE RITES the children are not treated as full-fledged adults when it comes to sex or marriage.
When it comes to arranged marriages, generally only the male has adult rights of consent, the girl isn't treated as an adult, but rather as the father's property to be disposed of according to his wishes. That isn't what I'd call 'giving' the girl adult status at a young age.
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FINN- Post pubescent could be as young as nine. Puberty isn't a good line to draw. The human brain needs time to develop judgment, and in addition if the law doesn't give adult-level rights (eg. the right to make and break contracts, drink, and vote) than placing "kids" in the realm of being sexually available is just treating them like so much fodder.
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Finn
"For instance in the Catholic priest scandal, the so-called “pedophile priests” were in fact largely not pedophiles at all, but homosexuals attracted to post pubescent boys."
• Victims' ages: 5.8% under 7; 16% ages 8-10; 50.9% ages 11-14; 27.3% ages 15-17.
• Victims' gender: 81% male, 19% female
http://www.priestsofdarkness.com/stats.html
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Quote:I’m not sure that’s necessarily true, but either way, you can call it what you want, it still remains cultural, not a mental disease. In fact, children as young as 14 can marry. In this state a 30 year old man or woman, could marry a 14 year old girl or boy, legally.
Originally posted by rue:
Finn
Many cultures have puberty rites to ackowledge the change of status at puberty, but EVEN AFTER THE RITES the children are not treated as full-fledged adults.
When it comes to arranged marriages, generally only the male has adult rights of consent, the girls isn't treated as an adult, but rather as the father's property to be dispsoed of according to his wishes. That isn't what I'd call 'giving' the girl adult status and the right of consent.
Nihil est incertius vulgo, nihil obscurius voluntate hominum, nihil fallacius ratione tota comitiorum.
Nothing is more unpredictable than the mob, nothing more obscure than public opinion, nothing more deceptive than the whole political system.
-- Cicero
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Quote:I’m not arguing for sex between children (that’s your shtick, remember) I’m simply saying it’s cultural.
Originally posted by SignyM:
FINN- Post pubescent could be as young as nine. Puberty isn't a good line to draw. The human brain needs time to develop judgment, and in addition if the law doesn't give adult-level rights (eg. the right to make and break contracts, drink, and vote) than placing "kids" in the realm of being sexually available is just treating them like so much fodder.
Nihil est incertius vulgo, nihil obscurius voluntate hominum, nihil fallacius ratione tota comitiorum.
Nothing is more unpredictable than the mob, nothing more obscure than public opinion, nothing more deceptive than the whole political system.
-- Cicero
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Thanks SignyM
I was alluding to that in my posting about other cultures. They recognize that adolescent children are on a continuum between childhood and adulthood and do not magically become full-fledged adults early on but slowly grow into it by late teenage years (to early twenties).
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But only with parents' permission AND probably a court order (all but 1 state), which argues against their status as full-fledged adults, even by your own example.
http://marriage.about.com/cs/teenmarriage/a/teenus.htm
In the United States, all but one state requires that a couple be 18 in order to marry without parental permission. Nebraska sets the age of majority at 19. Although a few states will waive this requirement if there is a pregnancy, teenage couples may still have to have court approval.
Delaware, Florida, Georgia, Kentucky, Maryland and Oklahoma allow pregnant teens or teens who have already had a child to get married without parental consent. In Florida, Kentucky, and Oklahoma, a teenage couple must have permission from a court. Maryland and Georgia require that the minor (teen) be at least 16.
Even with parental approval, many states require court approval when a person is 16 years old or less.
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Originally posted by Finn mac Cumhal:
I'm not sure that’s necessarily true, but either way, you can call it what you want, it still remains cultural, not a mental disease. In fact, children as young as 14 can marry. In this state a 30 year old man or woman, could marry a 14 year old girl or boy, legally.
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And I now know what state you live in !
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Quote:This “full-fledged adults” thing is something you put in there. It doesn’t change the fact that our culture recognizes, obviously not as much as it once did, that marriage between children or between children and adults is acceptable, as long as the children involved are post pubescent. No one is arguing that children should make this decision (if indeed one believes the decision should be made) without the consent of the parents, just that our culture recognizes that the decision can be acceptable.
Originally posted by rue:
But only with parents' permission, which argues against their status as full-fledged adults, even by your own example.
Nihil est incertius vulgo, nihil obscurius voluntate hominum, nihil fallacius ratione tota comitiorum.
Nothing is more unpredictable than the mob, nothing more obscure than public opinion, nothing more deceptive than the whole political system.
-- Cicero
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"marriage between children or between children and adults is acceptable, as long as the children involved are post pubescent"
Past the age of 9 or 10 ? I hardly think so ! And, uhm - why are you referring to them as children ? Is it b/c you advocate what you understand to be child-marriages ?
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