WTF? People on here voted that Bush should be prez in '04?!
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UPDATED: Monday, January 8, 2024 12:12
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Whatsa matter Finn, upset cause ya got stuck in the filter again ?
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BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA....
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Originally posted by badkarma00:
You know, I was thinking about commenting in here on this, but then I read things like 'land a c-130 in a soccer stadium' and, once I get over laughing, I figure, why bother.
Bad_karma
Great and Exalted Grand Pooba, International Brotherhood of Moonshiners, Rednecks, and Good Old Boys.
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Originally posted by JRC:
Hey it was modified, remember? Like maybe 20 feet long! With a crew of one.
Really? You honestly never heard of this, never looked it up? Just assumed that it was BS?
Do some checking around. A C130 Hercules is ALREADY quite capable of remarkably short take-off and landing (STOL capability as it's known). The one assigned the hostage rescue mission was further modified - it had RATO packs (ROCKET-Assisted Take Off). AND, it also had RATO packs mounted with the rocket nozzles facing FORWARD, so the idea was that it would come in low, flare out, drop into the stadium, hit the forward-facing rockets the second it touched down, and stop within less than 100 feet. From there, it could either turn around or back up (yes, the Herc *CAN* reverse itself), load the hostages and their rescuers, and hit the rockets AND the throttles on the plane's four turboprops, and pop into the air, after less than a 100 foot rollout.
The concept itself wasn't even that drastic, and it was proven to work, and work well.
From Wikipedia:
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A second rescue mission was planned under the name Operation Credible Sport (a.k.a. Operation Honey Badger), but was never put into action. This second rescue attempt was planned using highly modified YMC-130H Hercules aircraft. Outfitted with rocket thrusters fore and aft to allow an extremely short landing and take-off in a soccer stadium, three aircraft were modified under a rushed secret program. One aircraft crashed during a demonstration at Duke Field, Fl, at Eglin Air Force Base Auxiliary Field 3 on October 29, 1980, when its landing braking rockets were fired too soon. The misfire caused a hard touchdown that tore off the starboard wing and started a fire. All on board survived. The impending change in the White House led to the abandonment of this project. The two surviving airframes were returned to regular duty with the rocket packages removed. One is now on display at the Museum of Aviation located next to Dobbins Air Force Base in Georgia.[1]
So, I had it wrong on a few things. That wasn't the mission that failed; that was Operation Eagle Claw. The second mission never actually went ahead.
So, glad you found it so laughable to consider a Hercules landing in a stadium. Looks like the last laugh is mine, though...
Mike
"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence had very little to do with that decision." - Hero, Real World Event Discussions
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Just to add to the weirdness, you know who DID pull off a successful rescue mission in Iran ?
H. Ross Perot.
Some of his guys got pinched, for reasons which remain somewhat in debate - and the Gov wasn't too interested in trying to pull em out, so he went right on and got some mercs to do it, cause they were HIS guys and he wasn't gonna leave them hangin like that.
Not a generally known fact, but a fascinating tale all of it's own.
-Frem
It cannot be said enough, those who do not learn from history, are doomed to endlessly repeat it
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I think ALL discussions can be productive if we refrain from behaving like disinformationalists:
changing the topic, introducing straw men, insisting on impossible perfection from the other viewpoint, using ad hominem arguments, "backward logic"... in other words, acting as if we have to win the argument at any cost. The problem is that some people become so defensive about their viewpoints that they automatically bring the elephant guns to any discussion.
NOT productive!
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Let's party like it's 1929.
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Originally posted by SignyM:
I think ALL discussions can be productive if we refrain from behaving like disinformationalists:
changing the topic, introducing straw men, insisting on impossible perfection from the other viewpoint, using ad hominem arguments, "backward logic"... in other words, acting as if we have to win the argument at any cost. The problem is that some people become so defensive about their viewpoints that they automatically bring the elephant guns to any discussion.
NOT productive!
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Let's party like it's 1929.
Oh yeah?! Well take THAT!! [BLAM]
Kiddingisall.
"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence had very little to do with that decision." - Hero, Real World Event Discussions
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Oh.Well. I didn't know wikipedia said it was so. That certainly makes all the difference.
I'm still laughing,
Bad_karma
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This thread has gotten pretty weird.
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I did know that, Frem, for once And Peanut Man's State Department tried their damnedest to stop him, and when they couldn't, to sabotage his efforts.
Didn't work, though. He did it anyway.
Thanks for reminding me!
Bad_karma
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Quote:As usual, you're not listening. I like the filter. If it weren't for the RWED, you (for example) would be up in the General or the scif board shooting your mouth off about all your crazy Marxist theories, your paranoid evil government crap, and ridiculing people for not agreeing with you. You alone could probably insult enough people to ruin this whole board. Throw in Signym and Rue and a handful of others who have no interest here aside from pushing one piece of propaganda or another and attacking people who don't agree with them and you would have the Dark Angel board six years ago. But RWED boards provides a scum trap so that the General board and the scifi boards etc. stay mostly clean. People up there, six years later, continue to gleefully enjoy Firefly and other science fiction. They talk about upcoming movies or music and genuinely enjoy each others company. They exchange photos and appreciate being a part of a science fiction community. I know you think this board revolves around the RWED, but it doesn't. It revolves around those people up there in the general board who rarely if ever, and largely prefer not to, come to the RWED. Those are the guys, without whom, there would be no FFF.net, no Firefly community, and yes, no RWED.
Originally posted by Fremdfirma:
Whatsa matter Finn, upset cause ya got stuck in the filter again ?
Nihil est incertius vulgo, nihil obscurius voluntate hominum, nihil fallacius ratione tota comitiorum.
Nothing is more unpredictable than the mob, nothing more obscure than public opinion, nothing more deceptive than the whole political system.
-- Cicero
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