WTF? People on here voted that Bush should be prez in '04?!
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Actually Finn, where else can you find anarchists (BTW Frem is not a Marxist, and if you think he is one then you haven't met any yet!), Big Government types, Confederates, Euros, and whack-jobs all under one big roof, and all THINKING that they understand what Joss was trying to say? I've been on other political discussion websites and you have no idea how truly unique RWED is. And I think that's a resounding testament to the creative truthiness of Joss Whedon and Tim Minnear.
What was it that drew us to the show? It spoke to us on a fundamental level about things that mattered, things that were relevant. And although Joss and Tim surely put together a greatly entertaining show, I don't think that's the ONLY thing they had in mind. They put a show on about religion and politics! Power and conformity! Economics and honor!
Call me prejudiced, but I hold Fireflyfans automatically in high regard. I feel quite strongly that anyone who's a fan of the show deserves a listen. But what I find disappointing is that although the show drew together some of the most intelligent and diverse people in TVdom, these people... us... have failed to let our collective intelligence spark and catch fire. It could have been a unique opportunity for people of wildly divergent opinions to get together and explore our thoughts. If nothing else, we could have tried to figure out what drew total polar opposites to the show. (Which is still a puzzle to me!)
I feel as if I've personally grown a great deal from these discussions. I got tired of the bar fights and the insults and the dishonesty and I tried to rid my posts of it. Even though I disagree with some people in the extreme... as some people disagree with me ... I've tried my very hardest to try to understand why someone would believe as they do. I do not believe that Joss would be "insulted" to have people come together to talk politics under his banner. In fact, I suspect he would be more disturbed by people occupying a fantasy-land in his name.
But then again, I could be wrong.
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Let's party like it's 1929.
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Quote:You’re not the only person here who has been on other boards. I’ve been on and still attend other boards, but that’s not the issue. The question is not whether RWED is unique or inspiring. The question is what maintains it and while many of those who come to this board with no other interest then to hash it out on subjects that have nothing to do with anything related to Joss Whedon may think that it exists on its own - it does not. It exists because the Firefly community at FFF.net, of which RWED is only a very small segment, has remained so vibrant, and that community has remained so vibrant because RWED acts like a scum trap siphoning off discussion that has nothing to do with Firefly, Joss Whedon or science fiction and would otherwise distract and taint the community as a whole.
Originally posted by SignyM:
Actually Finn, where else can you find anarchists (BTW Frem is not a Marxist, and if you think he is one then you haven't met any yet!), Big Government types, Confederates, Euros, and whack-jobs all under one big roof, and all THINKING that they understand what Joss was trying to say? I've been on other political discussion websites and you have no idea how truly unique RWED is. And I think that's a resounding testament to the creative truthiness of Joss Whedon and Tim Minnear.
And Frem is a diehard Marxist, regardless of how he dresses it up.
Nihil est incertius vulgo, nihil obscurius voluntate hominum, nihil fallacius ratione tota comitiorum.
Nothing is more unpredictable than the mob, nothing more obscure than public opinion, nothing more deceptive than the whole political system.
-- Cicero
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scum trap....? give me a break... people will be people - some get all bent out of shape if they face opposition, some thrive on it.. but scum trap...? That's not what this place is to me. Most of the time (when i'm not riffing on Bush) I visit this site and this particular portion (below the fold) to check on current events or to pick up on a good link or two.. And now get your flame throwers ready cause i'm going to say something that has been on my mind for a while now... Firefly is a dead horse... we can beat it till we're blue in the face but it ain't coming back... I have posted in the other threads and have pretty much run out of favorite scenes or quotes from the show - it has been done to death, but down here in the basement, things are happening... maybe not to everyone's liking, but interesting none the less - yeah, so i can be a loud mouth schnook at times - i blame my love of the absurd, but most don't get my humor... doesn't make me want to tuck tail and run... if the shit gets too deep, i can simply shut it off - and there in lies the secret to anything anyone disagrees with - turn it off... (just as some of you are turning me off right now)
Most of us have strong opinions - not gonna change your mind - not gonna change mine - but the discourse is at times educational and informative - and at time down right hilarious...
So please don't label RWED a scum trap - that phrase brings to mind three horrible days spent in Toledo Ohio.... maybe it was the weather...
edit... don't get me wrong, i still think Firefly and all of Whedon's work is some of the best writing that ever made it to the idiot box... just saying....
edited for grammatical errors... are you kiddin me ! I was into the literature.... purty writin aint my forte..
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Quote:Well, I can’t do anything about your childhood experiences, but scum trap is exactly what I meant. If you have such a problem with the term, then you can call it a leaf trap. Or flapping turd scooper. Whatever you want to call it. It’s that little thing in the side of pool that sucks up the debris to keep the pool clean.
Originally posted by deadlockvictim:
So please don't label RWED a scum trap - that phrase brings to mind three horrible days spend in Toledo Ohio.... maybe it was the weather,,,
Nihil est incertius vulgo, nihil obscurius voluntate hominum, nihil fallacius ratione tota comitiorum.
Nothing is more unpredictable than the mob, nothing more obscure than public opinion, nothing more deceptive than the whole political system.
-- Cicero
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That coming from a person who just admitted a firm belief that a career politician has never lied to us... dude, you've stripped a gear or something.
Firstoff, I don't argue politics outside RWED, in fact I am dead-set against doing so, contrary to your expressed opinion there.
I've seen many political boards, and many that were not, and to be downright brutal about it, it's not people like me, who respect the rights of folks who do not believe as they - who destroy them, it is people like you, who do not believe those who disagree with them HAVE any rights.
As for the rest, I wanna know what other people think, how they feel, and why, I wanna know what makes them tick, I wanna get inside their head and look around, and get an idea of where all the buttons and levers are, and of what they do...
And for some pretty obvious reasons.
I will say, if you're gonna try pigeonholing me into some box where I don't even fit, you might try to be consistent about it - so far as I recall you have called me a Democrat, a Communist, a Socialist, and now a Marxist, on top of more vague categories like Liberal, Crazy or (my personal favorite) Bush-hater.
Come on man, can't you make up your mind ?
Imma Kropotkinist-Anarchist, if you reallllly want to put a label on it, but people are human, and don't fit into neat little boxes, and maybe you should just learn to accept that.
Or not, but at least accept that it is your own doing when I get to yanking your chain so hard, perhaps if you took a moment from vilifying those who disagree with you, and spent it on understanding how and why they do so, you could learn to yank it back.
But you won't, and that's the most hilarious thing of all.
-Frem
It cannot be said enough, those who do not learn from history, are doomed to endlessly repeat it
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well, that's just fine with me... if you want to be referred to as scum, by all means, be my guest - just don't drag me down with you...
as far as childhood - i would hazard a guess that i'm just a tad older than you are - you lil' whippersnapper
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Quote:Because there is a RWED board. Otherwise you would be.
Originally posted by Fremdfirma:
Firstoff, I don't argue politics outside RWED, in fact I am dead-set against doing so, contrary to your expressed opinion there.
Nihil est incertius vulgo, nihil obscurius voluntate hominum, nihil fallacius ratione tota comitiorum.
Nothing is more unpredictable than the mob, nothing more obscure than public opinion, nothing more deceptive than the whole political system.
-- Cicero
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BK - Part of why he didn't wanna rock the boat is that the State Dept at the time was desperately trying to shore up support for The Shah, and it wasn't workin out too well.
I fault him for that, most certainly, as I fault us for creating the entire situation by propping that dickhead up in the first place, but the Shah being tossed out on his ear was gonna hit us right in the nuts when the Ayatolla took over and cut off the cheap oil - so they were pretty keen on preventing that.
That being said, were I setting policy, and americans were taken hostage, I would engage diplomatically, but with an understanding that if the issue is not resolved with our people back in hand in 14 days or less, we will be TAKING them back, whether you like it or not.
It's one of the rare few issues where I *would* support military intervention in a foreign nation.
-Frem
It cannot be said enough, those who do not learn from history, are doomed to endlessly repeat it
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Quote:You’re in denial.
Originally posted by deadlockvictim:
well, that's just fine with me... if you want to be referred to as scum, by all means, be my guest - just don't drag me down with you...
Quote:That might be, but unless you hatched from a pod, you must have had a childhood, which I still can’t do anything about.
Originally posted by deadlockvictim:
as far as childhood - i would hazard a guess that i'm just a tad older than you are - you lil' whippersnapper
Nihil est incertius vulgo, nihil obscurius voluntate hominum, nihil fallacius ratione tota comitiorum.
Nothing is more unpredictable than the mob, nothing more obscure than public opinion, nothing more deceptive than the whole political system.
-- Cicero
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Bullshit, Finn.
Again...
I respect the rights of people who do not agree with me - you believe people who disagree with you HAVE no rights.
It wouldn't be me, it would be you, and you're just pissed off that I called you on it.
Were there not an RWED, I wouldn't be discussin politics here at all, but I would still be here.
Would you ?
-F
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