Our President
POSTED BY: howdyrockerbaby1
UPDATED: Wednesday, May 21, 2025 16:36
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Thanks MiloraDell.
Ecological footprint... an interesting concept - I like it.
My wife and I have just recently purchased 58 acres of pretty uncultured property in far, far north Texas so I'll be looking to fit my feet into the smallest shoes possible 
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Thanks for sending along the link. I'll be reading it this evening.
Peace
Now, how's about we get on with this increasingly eerie-ass day
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CAPNHARBATKIN - no problem! Took me a while to locate it, because I couldn't remember what it was called.
Sigh...footprints. A question I'm struggling with now - do I get the car I really really like? Or do I get something with decent gas mileage/emissions? Sigh...I think I'll just drive what I have until it dies. Which hopefully won't be for a very long while. Doesn't answer the question, but puts it off for a spell.
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I know your name, Jackass.
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Hero,
One last thing. You mentioned that:
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How? Maybe Bush levied war against the US. Or maybe he provided aid and comfort to our enemies. Read Article 3, treason is the only crime defined by the Contitution. The US Constitution, not the funny Conspiracy one you've been reading.
Actually Hero, I believe you need to review Article II, Section 4:
Section 4. The President, Vice President and all civil officers of the United States, shall be removed from office on impeachment for, and conviction of, treason, bribery, or other high crimes and misdemeanors.
So I think its pretty hard to argue that treason is the only impeachable offense. If you're gonna try to flame fellow posters with the constitution, you really should get it right.
Here's a link to the relevant Article:
http://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/constitution.articleii.html
Here's a suggestion - Let's all take a really deep breath and relax a little bit. I know I sure could use a break from all this internet research
Now, how's about we get on with this increasingly eerie-ass day
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I agree, this isn't the place for political debate, but I just had to share this poem, which is circulating round the web lately:
This is a short poem made up entirely of actual quotations from George W. Bush. These have been arranged, only for aesthetic purposes, by Washington Post writer, Richard Thompson. A wonderful poem like this is too good not to share.
MAKE THE PIE HIGHER
I think we all agree, the past is over.
This is still a dangerous world.
It's a world of madmen and uncertainty
And potential mental losses.
Rarely is the question asked
Is our children learning?
Will the highways of the Internet
Become more few?
How many hands have I shaked?
They misunderestimate me.
I am a pitbull on the pantleg of opportunity.
I know that the human being
And the fish can coexist.
Families is where our nation finds hope,
Where our wings take dream.
Put food on your family!
Knock down the tollbooth!
Vulcanize society!
Make the pie higher!
Make the pie higher!
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Originally posted by CapnHarbatkin:
Actually Hero, I believe you need to review Article II, Section 4:
Section 4. The President, Vice President and all civil officers of the United States, shall be removed from office on impeachment for, and conviction of, treason, bribery, or other high crimes and misdemeanors.
So I think its pretty hard to argue that treason is the only impeachable offense. If you're gonna try to flame fellow posters with the constituion, you really should get it right.[\b]Quote:
Ok. What is bribery? According to the Constitution the crime of bribery is...sorry its not there. Same with high crimes and misdemeanors. But treason is specifically defined in Article 3. Hence treason is the ONLY crime specifically defined by the Constitution.
Thats why when Clinton was impeached we could all argue about whether what he did was a "high crime". Because it was left open to interpritation. Treason was not.
And I wasn't trying to flame anyone. Merely using the Constitutional definition of treason to question the accurracy of an assertion by a fellow traveller as to the legal status of President Bush with regards to the issue of treason. The fellow was simply incorrect. Whatever he may or may not have done, his actions by definition cannot constitute treason by any standard acceptable in American courts.
France, as I understand it, has a different standard.
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Cool
I understand your point - only treason is defined in the Constitution. Point taken. My point was that there are other things that a president can be impeached for besides treason.
As an aside, the framers have left us with an interesting connundrum(sp?) - "high crimes and misdemeanors". Don't those two seem somewhat at odds with one another? I'm no lawyer but it seems as if misdemeanors can be pretty trivial nowadays. You can probably share some examples of misdemeanors that anyone that posts on this board has probably committed. (not from personal experience, just what kind of dumb laws are there that most people have committed at one time or another like driving barefoot, etc.)
It seems like such an obvious tripwire I can't believe it was incorporated. Perhaps the goals was to set the bar very, very, very high for the listed officials.
Thoughts?
BTW: Have you heard the stories (pretty well documented - don't make me load google yet again today 
) about 2 plane loads of Saudi Arabians being flown out of the US a couple of days after 9/11? One of the supposedly was OBL's sister.
I've seen several threads on other more politically intense boards that were trying to equate that action as being treasonous. While I believe the flights themselves are well documented enough (passenger lists, flight plans etc) to believe they really happened, I have yet to see any serious facts regarding who it was exactly that allowed the planes be in US airspace when all civilian airline activity was deader than Dobson.
Assuming for a moment that it was Dubya is that Treason? Probably not in a legal sense. Interference with a criminal investigation? I don't know - you're the lawyer - you tell me.
Its an interesting question but I'm not sure we'll ever know for sure.
Certainly does make one wonder though.
Now, how's about we get on with this increasingly eerie-ass day
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Originally posted by NervousPete:
Oi! No swearing here Ghoulman. Please. Even if you think he's an idiot, don't insult him. Destroy him with slightly barbed logic if you want. This board is for people of all ages and temperments. And if anyone swears, my computer blocks the post thread off at work, thus denying me slacking time on this board - thus meaning I can only get my Firefly kicks at home. And I'm not man enough to go THAT long without Firefly kicks.
SNIP!...
Was wondering about language on this board. If it keeps you from my posts certainly I wouldn't want that!
To EVERYONE --> About my foul post...
Proper Net etiquette states that any one line post that just says 'you're wrong' is a TROLL. So I told the troll where to go. Worse, that jerk did it twice. <Bugs Bunny Voice>What a maroon!
Also, after spending the last year being called a 'liberal' as if it's an insult I just don't have any patience for liars.
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Originally posted by Coward:
Comparing the war on Iraq to WWII does not hold up. Hitler marched into the de-militarized zone in the Rhineland in 1935 (if memory serves). He annexed Austria in 1937, invaded "Sudetenland" (don't know the English name) in 1939. Up until this point no one in the international community lifted a finger to stop him, despite Hitler having expressively stated his intention to take over eastern Europe in "Mein Kampf" in the '20s. Even when Hitler invaded Czechia (also in '39) the international community did nothing. Only after Germany's invasion of Poland a few weeks later did the war start, the US refuse to join this war before being directly attacked at Pearl Harbor. This hesitation cost Millions of Britons, Frenchmen and Russians their lives (and even Germans, though mentioning them in this context isn't very sensible).[\b]Quote:
Sounds pretty comparable to me. In WW2 our hesitation was merely a manifestation of our legacy of isolationism. Yet it cost countless lives. Now we go foreward to stop the madmen, and France holds back. France seeks compromise and peace with an enemy bent upon global domination, ideological extremism, and the destruction of the Jews.Quote:
Oh and Hero and Auraptor... if you don't know how to behave and properly conduct a debate and refrain from calling people morons and being racist towards other nationalities, maybe you shouldn't be partaking in this discussion. (And Hero you certainly shouldn't be accusing people of being racist or antisemitic if you are so obviously racist (towards the French) yourself)[\b]Quote:
I may hate the French, but there's nothing racist about it. I don't hate them for their race, I hate them for their politics. I hate them because they spit on 50 years of alliance. I hate them because they gave aid and support to our enemies by fostering inaction and backchannel deals. I hate them because the seek to exploit a changing world dynamic by creating a block of nations to challenge American supremacy. I hate them because they are arrogent and dismissive to former eastern Block nations who flock to our banner to stand side by side against those who threaten civilization.
But I love the good French. The ones who come foreward in times of great need. Who show courage and leadership and all the things that serve to make France great. They are there, waiting. They'll be there when France's policies come crashing down in fire and blood. It will happen. Why? Because terrorists can't be trusted.
I hate Canada too (mainly over the 1992 World Series). But not the French-Canadians. Isn't that odd?
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P.S. I am not now, nor have I ever been a member of the French ethniticity or nationality.
I just assumed you were French. Guess it was your name.
I don't call people morons, although many ideas of a moronic nature have been expressed (not the legitimate disagreements such as this one). I apologize if anyone thought I had called them a moron simply by disagreeing with them.
I didn't call anyone a racist either. I did however claim that some enviromentalists may be motitvated by racist designs. It is one of several explanations about why its ok to pollute in Mexico or , but not in their own back yard.
Ok, I do take unfair shots at France. I call them cowards and make fun of their manhood. I apologize.
I just wish they'd stop trying to surrender to me.
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on malfeasance
Doubters of that judgment should read the report from the Union of Concerned Scientists (UCS) that accompanies the statement, "Restoring Scientific Integrity in Policy Making" (available at www.ucsusa.org). Among the affronts that it details: The administration misrepresented the findings of the National Academy of Sciences and other experts on climate change. It meddled with the discussion of climate change in an Environmental Protection Agency report until the EPA eliminated that section. It suppressed another EPA study that showed that the administration's proposed Clear Skies Act would do less than current law to reduce air pollution and mercury contamination of fish. It even dropped independent scientists from advisory committees on lead poisoning and drug abuse in favor of ones with ties to industry.
taken from
http://www.sciam.com/article.cfm?chanID=sa004&articleID=0001E02A-A14A-
1084-983483414B7F0000
"We are exporting democracy because we have all of this unused democracy lying around at home. Why not make some money doing it?"
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There is an "ethnic" French now? There's language French, Nation French, Country French, (and thank God for the US of A) place French, Fries French, (of course) wine French, cheese French, and a couple of other things... What's this French ethnicity you speak of.... up until some years past the 100 year war - the French didn't even know they were French or such a thing as French... the Denmark, English, "French" were all too busy interbreeding each other to figure out these Ethnicity and too worry about the daily bread to figure out Nationality.
"You white people all look alike to me"
And what the heck is wrong with a little "French hating". What is this? Only the French can have a little smug attitude? You don't have to be a racist to "hate", tease, belittle, and "poke fun at their expense".
But sir, you are correct. There isn't any real honor in making fun of the French, what? they will just surrender immediately. What's the point?
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