A new level of despicable
POSTED BY: Geezer
UPDATED: Wednesday, February 6, 2008 14:19
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Quote:No, the BS here is that we trust the Iraqi government (or indeed ours) in the face of inconsistent evidence. The US military hasn't exactly jumped on-board this story. Yeah, sure, al Qaida MIGHT do something like that. But, they might realize that an action like that would gain them far more negative publicity than they want. OTOH the Iraqi government, seeing that Dems almost certainly will be w/drawing troops sooner rather than later, might want to fan the anti-al-Qaida flames and take some of the heat off their administration. So I see several reasons why the Iraqi government might want to create a scenario so heinous that people couldn't help but react.
the bullshit here is the assumption that Al Qaeda wouldn’t do it.
Take a deep breath. Calm down, and don't let your emotions run away with you.
I know it's tough. I know you WANT to feel all worked up and angry about something. I know it makes you feel "in control". But your anger can be used against you by people more "in control" than you.
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Quote:Right. Because Al Qaeda has never done that before. Obviously, it must be a ruse by the Iraqi Government. You just don’t have all the lights on, do you?
Originally posted by SignyM:
So I see several reasons why the Iraqi government might want to create a scenario so heinous that people couldn't help but react.
Nihil est incertius vulgo, nihil obscurius voluntate hominum, nihil fallacius ratione tota comitiorum.
Nothing is more unpredictable than the mob, nothing more obscure than public opinion, nothing more deceptive than the whole political system.
-- Cicero
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Quote:Why not? It's not as if they haven't lied before... or our government either, for that matter. I've seen people getting all kinds of bent out of shape about stuff that never even happened. Like the Jessica Lynch story.
Obviously, it must be a ruse by the Iraqi Government
For years our military has said that al Qaida made up only 5% or less of the fighting force in Iraq. Now suddenly all you ever hear about is al Qaida: al Qaida this, al Qaida that. The whole idea of the "insurgency" seems to have faded from the view. In the popular view, the Iraqis are on the way to a stable government. But what if the bombing was done by Sunni insurgents? Or Shiite militias? How would that make the Iraqi government look? How might the Iraqi government want to spin this? I'm telling ya- politicians lie. And lots of people have all kinds of reason to lie in this case. Just give it a little time to let the facts get sorted out BEFORE you get outraged. They'll be plenty of time for outrage later.
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Quote:And Al Qaeda is an apocalyptic terrorist organization that is activity murdering people and trying to destabilize the government. Whatever reasons you believe people may or may not have for lying, are all really quite moot in this case. Like I said, I don't know what the truth is here, but it's not hard to beleive the story I've heard so far.
Originally posted by SignyM:
And lots of people have all kinds of reason to lie in this case.
Nihil est incertius vulgo, nihil obscurius voluntate hominum, nihil fallacius ratione tota comitiorum.
Nothing is more unpredictable than the mob, nothing more obscure than public opinion, nothing more deceptive than the whole political system.
-- Cicero
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Quote:I agree on both points.
Like I said, I don't know what the truth is here but it's not hard to believe the story I've heard so far.
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Quote:This is certainly very possible, and worth serious consideration.
Originally posted by SignyM:
OTOH the Iraqi government, seeing that Dems almost certainly will be w/drawing troops sooner rather than later, might want to fan the anti-al-Qaida flames and take some of the heat off their administration.
Deep-breathing Chrisisall
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Quote:Why? It’s basically just another moot point. I’m sure that there are many people in the Iraqi government sweating over whether the US will abandon them as, unfortunately, the US has done before to other allies when faced with the politics of a protracted war, but how does this determine the Iraqi governments disposition towards Al Qaeda? Basically, it doesn’t. The Iraqi government is at war with Al Qaeda, which seeks to destabilize and ultimately overthrow the government, so the Iraqi government is anti-Al Qaeda completely independent of what the Democrats do.
Originally posted by chrisisall:Quote:This is certainly very possible, and worth serious consideration.
Originally posted by SignyM:
OTOH the Iraqi government, seeing that Dems almost certainly will be w/drawing troops sooner rather than later, might want to fan the anti-al-Qaida flames and take some of the heat off their administration.
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Quote:Well, if you're gonna play that card, all points made here about anything but this board itself are moot. Is there snow on your roof right now? No? But there could have been, and it may have just melted, so your point that there is no snow on your roof is moot. BTW, you're in the Matrix right now...you think those are keys you're typing on?
Originally posted by Finn mac Cumhal:
Why? It’s basically just another moot point.
HmmmmmmChrisisall
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Quote:Not all points made on this board are moot. Although YOUR point about snow being on my roof might be moot, but that’s YOUR point, not mine. I probably wouldn’t make such a point unless I had reason to believe that snow was on my roof, since it doesn’t make any sense otherwise.
Originally posted by chrisisall:
Well, if you're gonna play that card, all points made here about anything but this board itself are moot. Is there snow on your roof right now? No? But there could have been, and it may have just melted, so your point that there is no snow on your roof is moot. BTW, you're in the Matrix right now...you think those are keys you're typing on?
Nihil est incertius vulgo, nihil obscurius voluntate hominum, nihil fallacius ratione tota comitiorum.
Nothing is more unpredictable than the mob, nothing more obscure than public opinion, nothing more deceptive than the whole political system.
-- Cicero
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Quote:The fact that it doesn't make any sense to you is moot point anyway.
Originally posted by Finn mac Cumhal:
Although YOUR point about snow being on my roof might be moot, but that’s YOUR point, not mine. I probably wouldn’t make such a point unless I had reason to believe that snow was on my roof, since it doesn’t make any sense otherwise.
Ewwwue, I stepped in a pile of mootisall
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