A new level of despicable
POSTED BY: Geezer
UPDATED: Wednesday, February 6, 2008 14:19
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Yeah, the Iraq army was really treated w/ rose petals and the open arms of lovely young women across the country in the 1st Gulf War
It is not those who use the term "Islamo-Fascism" who are sullying the name of Islam; it is the Islamo-Fascists. - Dennis Prager
" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "
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Quote:Jesus effing Christ, Geezer! First you say
Now all of a sudden you believe "U.S. military officials"? Or do you just believe what you want to hear?
Quote:and then when I provide one you needle me with it? Well, I gotta say that's pretty typical of you.
A cite would be nice.
I did some googling of the various news reports... something you could have done... and found the information was contradictory or inconclusive. Iraqi officials claim to have photos of the two women involved which show that they had Downs syndrome. One Army official said the photos do indicate but they won't be released. But cellphone photos taken at the scene were inconclusive, so the Iraqi photos may be staged.
One witness said people recognized the woman at the pet market as "the crazy lady". Other witnesses said she was a stranger, which is why she attracted such a crowd of teenage boys. In other words, there is enough confusion surrounding the incident to warrant suspension of judgement because it MAY be a misrepresentation, which was my original point. Not that it is, but it MAY be. Because the Incubator Story, the WMD Story, the Pat Tillman Story and the Jessica Lynch Story rattled around the media echo chamber for years as gospel until someone finally did some digging, the truth may not be known for quite some time.
Take a deep breath, calm down and withold judgement until someone can prove the story one way or another. Politicians lie as naturally as breathing. It may take a while for the real story to come out. Be patient and don't jump to conclusions. That's my point.
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I would have given the same cite as Signy. Just for the record I'm more inclined to believe US military sources than Iraqi ones because they have a better track record for accuracy! Remember that the same Iraqi government claimed to have killed the leader of Al Q in Iraq 3 times before they actually got him. The USM know anything it says will be analyzed, reanalyzed and completely dissected by the US news agencies, the Iraqi government doesn't have that same fear and desperately needs to win a propaganda war.
Like I said, if this IS the whole truth then in that culture it's a new level of low, kind of like the stories of German troops raping French nuns in WW1, it shows your opponent to be a barbarian.
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Quote:Right. Because how could anyone think gentle Al Qaeda did a misdeed?
Originally posted by Fremdfirma:
....I was gonna mock your ignorance and gullibility, but you know what ?
You've done such a great job yourself there's really no need to bother.
-F
Nihil est incertius vulgo, nihil obscurius voluntate hominum, nihil fallacius ratione tota comitiorum.
Nothing is more unpredictable than the mob, nothing more obscure than public opinion, nothing more deceptive than the whole political system.
-- Cicero
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The story that I heard through the grapevine was that the US isn’t drawing a distinction. In other words, mentally ill or not, they are treating it as a suicide bomber (period). So yes I agree that the US military has a better track record for accuracy then the Iraqi government, but I haven’t heard the US military deny what the Iraqi government is saying yet, so there’s not really a conflict. And by the same argument I believe the Iraqi government over Al Qaeda and I think Al Qaeda, clearly, capable of anything. I have no reason to doubt the report’s veracity and it’s completely within the range of plausibly for Al Qaeda to pull something like this. Now is it true? I don’t really know - I wasn’t there, but there’s little reason to believe that it’s not true.
Nihil est incertius vulgo, nihil obscurius voluntate hominum, nihil fallacius ratione tota comitiorum.
Nothing is more unpredictable than the mob, nothing more obscure than public opinion, nothing more deceptive than the whole political system.
-- Cicero
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Quote:And what if it is? How exactly is this a new low for these dummies? Is it better for a mentally disabled person to get vapourized by a bomb someone else is wearing than to blow up wearing such a device themselves? Seems to me the outcome is the same, it's only the way we colour the murderin' that's different.
Originally posted by Finn mac Cumhal:
I wasn’t there, but there’s little reason to believe that it’s not true.
Atrocities are all in the same, er, atrocity category as far as I'm concerned.
Clueless Chrisisall
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Quote:Well, as I said, Al Qaeda excels in “new lows.” There’s no act Al Qaeda could perform that would be horrible enough to surprise me.
Originally posted by chrisisall:Quote:And what if it is? How exactly is this a new low for these dummies?
Originally posted by Finn mac Cumhal:
I wasn’t there, but there’s little reason to believe that it’s not true.
Quote:I consider it a pretty despicable act to use a mentally ill person, who is not fully in control of his or her faculties, as a tool of murder. But is nothing new. Terrorist groups have been doing this very thing a long time. This is what makes these people evil.
Originally posted by chrisisall:
Is it better for a mentally disabled person to get vapourized by a bomb someone else is wearing than to blow up wearing such a device themselves? Seems to me the outcome is the same, it's only the way we colour the murderin' that's different.
Nihil est incertius vulgo, nihil obscurius voluntate hominum, nihil fallacius ratione tota comitiorum.
Nothing is more unpredictable than the mob, nothing more obscure than public opinion, nothing more deceptive than the whole political system.
-- Cicero
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Quote:Yeah.
Originally posted by Finn mac Cumhal:
Terrorist groups have been doing this very thing a long time.
I just don't see that we need any MORE reason to be angry at them...they're as far off my 'deserve to live' chart as they could be already, no matter what else they do.
Saddened, not angered Chrisisall
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Quote:God Finn, you are so full of bullshit! That's not the point. everyone knows that al Qaida is full of misdeeds. The point is: Can we trust the Iraqi government to tell the truth?
Right. Because how could anyone think gentle Al Qaeda did a misdeed?
You've got to ask yourself a question: Do I feel lucky? Well, do ya, punk? -Dirty Harry
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Quote:I don’t know, but you need a better test case, because the bullshit here is the assumption that Al Qaeda wouldn’t do it.
Originally posted by SignyM:Quote:God Finn, you are so full of bullshit! That's not the point. everyone knows that al Qaida is full of misdeeds. The point is: Can we trust the Iraqi government to tell the truth?
Right. Because how could anyone think gentle Al Qaeda did a misdeed?
Nihil est incertius vulgo, nihil obscurius voluntate hominum, nihil fallacius ratione tota comitiorum.
Nothing is more unpredictable than the mob, nothing more obscure than public opinion, nothing more deceptive than the whole political system.
-- Cicero
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