Our President
POSTED BY: howdyrockerbaby1
UPDATED: Wednesday, May 21, 2025 16:36
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"Another thing the press (nor the administration) isnt clarifying is the lack of link between Al Qaeda and 9/11 with Iraq, so I dont agree that the press is predominantly left wing."
I disagree.. I think the administration made a good case for Al Qaida having been there and Al Qaida is certainly there now. It's not important to tie Saddam directly to the 9/11 attack.. the world knows he very publically sponcered Hamas and others with money gained from illegal commerce from 'oil for food' with France and Russia.
Most liberals that I know don't think the press is predominantly left wing either... I have to concider the source.. because what I see watching them is very liberally biased in presentation and in content.
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Originally posted by richardecheandia:
See - this is exactly why I think its a bad idea to have these discussions here.
Sure. You raise numerous concerns and can't face a point by point reply. I understand. You MUST turn away, because liberal ideals and the irrational hate certain people feel for Bush cannot hold up under reasonable scrutiny. Thats why Bush is leading in the polls.
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I'm not going to get into a point by point discussion with you fine folks (except for the bit about the overtime - how many hourly people make over $100K annual? What a specious argument).
You can't get into a point by point discussion. You can't even acknowledge the President's given name.
As for the overtime. You obviously don't work as a Cleveland School District Janitor. Ahh, Cleveland schools. Last year a massive tax increase, this year a $100 million dollar debt. Glad I live in the suburbs, with a Republican Mayor.
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Let's be honest and face the facts:
Boy are you in the wrong party.
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Nothing I say will change your mind. I'm not to sure how you can spin shrub's record to change my mind so let's both save our breath ok?
President Bush has done a fine job. I don't have to spin his record to change your mind. You already agree with me. That's why liberals are so angry. They hate Bush and the better the country does, the more anger they feel. Thats why so many have sought to dehumanize him by calling him 'shrub' and 'Dubyah'. Same kind of people used the 'N' word as an expression of hate fifty years ago and 'Slick Willy' in the last administration.
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My mom used to call that 'rationalization'.
She was a wise woman. You should have listened closer. I bet she told you name calling and hate mongering were bad things also.
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(ducks and hides)
Ah, so you are planning to vote for Kerry and his French approach to the war on terror.
H
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Originally posted by NervousPete:
I've been on a fair few boards that have held political conversation. I'm always struck by the same thing; there are usually only two opinions.
One is: Bush is evil, greedy and stupid! Down with the evil right-wing Republicans!
Another is: Democrats are bleeding heart whiners! We are doing the best to save America, and you should get behind us or you are either stupid, or dangerous. Down with liberals!
Curiously, there never seem to be any mixed views and calm reasoning. But should there be such posts on these boards?
No. Being middle of the road only gets a person run over.
Ok, here's a mixed view for you:
"Bush is evil, greedy and stupid! Democrats are bleeding heart whiners! We are doing the best to save America, and you should get behind us or you are either stupid, or dangerous."
---Now thats the America I know and love.
Oh, and down with liberals.
H
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Some things I know...
America declared a 'War on Terrorism' as if terrorism was another country. It isn't. A war against 'evil' is like a war against the sea. This is just Windmills and the entire world knows it.
America is the aggressor in the world.
America broke it's own laws to go to war.
America lied to it's own people to go to war.
America lied to the world to go to war.
America ignored the entire international community as well as the largest worldwide protests in HISTORY to go to war.
America killed tens of thousands of innocents in Iraq.
America is now, more than ever before (if that's possible for such a paranoid people), a nation of fear.
America (including Kerry) has changed it's policy towards Palistine and has declared it's OK to steal land and kill people in Gaza and the West Bank.
America is drafting again.
American aggression is the number one worry in recent European polls. Imagine what the Asian polls are like!
American soldiers in Iraq will pay the highest price for American pride. They always have.
Oh, and by America I mean the White House. But hey, you get the country you voted for... oh wait. 
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NERVOUSPETE:
Thanks for taking the tone of the conversation to a new (and in my opinion) better level.
I agree with what I believe is your sentiment. Very little intelligent, considered debate. Mostly two groups standing on either side of a ditch railing against each other.
Unfortunately, the reason I believe that is shown in my previous post. Very few people will change their minds about these things. Most people's minds are made up already. Either side can quote statistics, or the facts as we perceive them (for a great example of the bogusity of the assertion 'never claimed "Immediate Threat" check out http://www.moveon.org/censure/caughtonvideo/
), quote chapter and verse of law, proposed law or even quote directly from a person's documented speaches and still, very few folks will really reconsider their position.
One thing though NervousPete. RockerBaby's original post was something along the lines of 'who thinks our president needs to get out of the white house' (please excuse the paraphrase if I got it wrong.) That's an inherently 2 sided debate. You do, or your don't so its not surprising its turned into Kerry vs Bush (or more likely Franken vs Limbaugh).
If the question was more nuanced like:
What's the best way to extracate ourselves from Iraq?
How should American decide to go to war?
Does America need its allies any more?
What qualities are most imporant in a president?
How impeachable are bl*wjobs in the oval office?
THEN it might have been a more multi-faceted debate with a wider range of opinions. Maybe that's what's missing from political debate in American these days. Sigh....
BTW: Hero - you can stop now, I'm not going to take the bait.
Have a wonderful day every one.
And don't forget to vote.
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Mal: "Is there blubber?"
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OK, I am going to guess that you are relatively young, politically inexperienced and have not studied the US Constitution, US History or the European Age of Enlightenment in any serious venue.
1) President Bush clearly elucidated 5 reasons for ending the cease-fire (for that is all the past 11 years have been - Check UN documents, the war never ended. A) WMD in violation of UN resolutions and Saddam's own agreement to the cease fire. B) Connections w/ and funding of terrorista and there activities. See bounties paid to Homocide bombers in Isreal. C) Continued cease-fire violations as Saddam daily targeted US jets patrolling the no fly zone, and fired upon said jets. D) Failure to comply with UN resolution 1441 E) HUMAN RIGHTS VIOLATIONS. Saddam's tyrannical regime was responsible for the deaths of over a million Iraqis - Kurds, Shi'ites Marsh Arabs and anybady who annoyed him.
Now, to put the two presidential candidates into terms you will understand - Bush is Mal - browncoat fighting for freedom from tyranny for himself and for all humans. Kerry is that Alliance Chode who captures Serenity after it is hit by Reavers. He knows how to run your life better than you do. The UN should form US foreign policy, not the US. He does what is politically expedient not what is morally correct.
Finally, your assertion that much of the information attributed to Kerry by the Bush/Cheney campaign is ten years old is half correct/ half misleading. Yes, when Kerry first supported a $.50 a gallon tax increase was 10 or so years ago. However, it is one of the few issues he has not flip-flopped on. I think if you would get your news from someplace other than "The Daily Show", comedians and network news casts, you may be surprised. I also recommend you read the Constitution, the Federalist Papers, Wealth of Nations and TownHall.com columnists regularly.
Or, you can simply remember - Allience = UN and liberals, Browncoats =America/ Conservatives!
ELBO
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Uhmm... just a small reality check here...
Isn't Mal opposed to the government that's currently in power?
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Mal: "Is there blubber?"
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What never fails to amaze me, is how the same set of facts always wind up telling different stories, depending on who's using them. It's all in the spin - what you leave in, and what you leave out.
Speaking of facts, has anyone actually read the Kyoto Accords? Or have we read what others have said about it? I went looking, and I couldn't find the actual document anywhere. All I could find is what others have written about it. But then - maybe I didn't try hard enough (?).
Personally, I know the effect this administration has had on the lives and rights of women, and I won't be voting for Bush.
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Ok - I just re-read the above, about voting - ha!!! That's funny! We can't alll be PC allll the time .
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Go run your little world.
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Quote:That's crazy talk. Mal is neither a foreign invader nor is he a country raper.
Originally posted by lokisince89:
Bush is Mal...
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Our president? - YOUR president-
I love Bush right now - the American Dollar is worth nothing so I'm going on spending sprees on eBay and Amazon practicly every night - I'm getting expensive stuff for like half the price!
Four more years please - can you imagine what he'll do if he doesn't even have a re-election hanging over him (I mean Chaney can hardly run).
He's going to go nuts! - No health system - butcher the enviroment - big tax cuts for the rich - Big $$$ contracts for all his friends -
America will be in such a hole I'll buy a big ass house there for nothing and move in just as the American people stop acting like naieve children and start making they're country great again!
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