Our President
POSTED BY: howdyrockerbaby1
UPDATED: Wednesday, May 21, 2025 16:36
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Originally posted by howdyrockerbaby1:
Who thinks that our President needs to get his butt out of the White House?
I do!!
But, I'd rather him there than Kerry. I'm not voting for either (Libertarian for me), but since I know my party won't win, I hope Bush does.
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Bush shouldn't have been so cocky as to think that we could fix that entire country all on our own without the help of the UN. Besides, we have our own problems in our country to worry about before we try fixing everybody elses.
Problem is, the UN had no intention of fixing anything. So it was us, or no one at all.
-Steve
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Originally posted by Hero:
I think he should vacation in Texas more often.
NO, NO, NO! That makes him too much of a target too close to where I live.
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Originally posted by Hero:
I think he should vacation in Texas more often.
H
I think he should vacation in Faluja. Maybe, Cheney and Rumsfeld could join him.
Seriously, I just think that its pretty sad that in a nation of nearly 300 million, the best we can come up with is Kerry or Bush. Another round of choosing the 'other' of two evils.
The only way this is ever going to change is when we change the way we vote. Plurality voting sucks and reinforces the two party dynasty. Check this out:
http://www.approvalvoting.org/
or this:
http://www.constitution.org/voting/voting.htm
SergeantX
"Dream a little dream or you can live a little dream. I'd rather live it, cause dreamers always chase but never get it." Aesop Rock
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Originally posted by richardecheandia:
In general I think its a mistake to have the FFF.net become a political forum. There's LOTS of other boards where you can post those topics.
Disagree, as long as it's in the appropriate area on the forums.
To the rest that you said,
HURRAY, BROTHER!!!
*gives virtual hug*
*virtually kisses both cheeks* (like the French do, eh, nothing sexual here)
I completely agree
And see I also reference a nice quote in my sig
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"Canada being mad at you is like Mr. Rogers throwing a brick through your window." -Jon Stewart, The Daily Show
"Also, I can kill you with my brain." -River
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I agree with Hero. And by the way SigmaNunki that signature is bad ass.
"Rule of thumb? Maybe it should be rule of wrist."
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hmmm.
"He enacts legislation to protect our forests that mandates MORE logging and MORE clear cutting..."
It's about time. We wouldn't have lost my favorite camping spot in the world to fire if this had been done sooner.
"Tries to eliminate overtime pay for hourly workers.."
For folks who make more than 100,000 dollars a year. The overtime rules have been in severe need of revamping for a while.
"worked in the Congress to defeat the Kyoto protocol... "
Thank God! The kyoto accords were about one thing, making the USA pay the rest of the world for every problem they could think of.. not only was this unfair, it was based on junk science. Even if global warming is a fact there is no real compelling proof it's caused by man. The earth has cycled in and out of ice age and warm ages for as long as it has existed. The worst part about 'kyoto' was it tied the hands of the USA and the western world industry and at the same time exempted China and India, two of the worst 'offenders' from any of the regulation.
"Voted against the abolition of land mines...."
Passing this would be like telling our enemies, 'We are not going to use our superior weapons to fight you.. you do what ever you want to do.' Anti-personnel mines are not weapons of mass destruction but if you want to call them that than hey, we found Saddam's supply.
"Refuses to obey the Geneva convention in our completely lawless treatment of Afghan POWs"
This is made up. These captives are being treated fairly. Primarily the ACLU attorneys can't wait to try POW's in civil court so they make a stink. Personally, I'm glad most of these are still in captivity. They'd just be killing and fighting and dying outside. They are not US citizens and we are at war still they belong off shore and in prison until the conclusion of the conflict.
"Over TWO MILLION jobs lost during his tenure..."
and nearly the same number created.. jobs are created all the time. I don't blame Bush for this.. anymore than I blame Clinton for the prosperity of the 90's; they inherited both.
"On average the jobs that have been created during his reign have been for less than 60% of what the work used to be making.."
So what. Clinton jobs were equally reduced.. this is just the fact of new jobs.. they start low and elevate over time.. you don't expect to be making the same amount in 10 years doing one job I hope.
"Blatantly lied about WMD..."
This is a rhetorical dead give away. Sorry but not convinced they weren't any... not convinced they won't eventually show. If Bush lied about these so did Clinton and the UN who both said the same thing as Bush about 'WMD'. Not convinced by the 'he lied' rhetoric at all.
"Started a war with Iraq that by any realistic account will make terrorism much, much worse..."
Does terror get much worse than 9/11? How many times did Saddam have to shoot at our planes before we should have responded? Words and resolutions mean things. To not do what Bush did would be making light of the UN and her resolutions. If it weren't for the USA the UN would be nothing just like the pathetic league of nations that preceded her. Most people recognize that the gulf war never ended. There was a 'stay' set up in a UN resolution.
"This is the leader of the free world?"
Yes, and God help us if that smarmy Kerry takes over. Not only will we be over taxed up to our eyes again but I don't believe we'll see much difference in foreign policy.. this is because Kerry doesn't have any original thought on the subject.
I am behind the troops and heros of the US military that are in harms way fighting for our way of life. I refused to be involved in organized subversion. The left would like to demonize our president and the war effort they say while still 'supporting our troops'. Well Kerry has proven this is impossible. Just look at his inconsistent voting when it comes to our troops in time of war. He's lucky there haven't been more deat
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Doran and Hero:
See - this is exactly why I think its a bad idea to have these discussions here.
I'm not going to get into a point by point discussion with you fine folks (except for the bit about the overtime - how many hourly people make over $100K annual? What a specious argument).
Let's be honest and face the facts: Nothing I say will change your mind. I'm not to sure how you can spin shrub's record to change my mind so let's both save our breath ok?
I will save this about your comments though:
My mom used to call that 'rationalization'.
(ducks and hides)
Have a great day, support democracy, support the right of every American's vote to be truly counted and like you, I'm REALLY looking forward to voting in November.
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Mal: "Is there blubber?"
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I've been on a fair few boards that have held political conversation. I'm always struck by the same thing; there are usually only two opinions.
One is: Bush is evil, greedy and stupid! Down with the evil right-wing Republicans!
Another is: Democrats are bleeding heart whiners! We are doing the best to save America, and you should get behind us or you are either stupid, or dangerous. Down with liberals!
Curiously, there never seem to be any mixed views and calm reasoning. But should there be such posts on these boards? YES, there should. Under a section called 'Debate' or 'Politics'. Now more than ever people need to seriously scrutinise everything our leaders, the media, and the people say and do. I don't like the current Republican administration. I think that they believe that they are doing the right thing, but are actually being dangerously short sighted on the subject of foreign affairs, the enviroment and terrorism. I also believe that they should break up some of the big corporations and secure more pay and free health care for those under or near the poverty line. But that's all I'll say on the matter here. I'm an outsider, looking in.
Looking in from the best country in the world, England.
See how annoying that is? Please don't say that. Personally I think that the best country in the world is either New Zealand or... hmm... nope, New Zealand is the best. Despite its bizarre road network. God blesses no country. His mandate is the world. And in a few hundred years, America will be a very different place for good or for ill, see what he thinks then. No one can claim him for themselves.
If you want my views on the subject (other than the little blip that is my considered opinion that you should vote Democrat, and that Clinton's security guards are astonishingly nice people who posed for photos and pretended to arrest students for laughs when he visited Warwick University here in his last month of power) then *gasp* email me at dreaming_lad@yahoo.com or set up a section for threads on political debate.
By putting this under the main section, you are giving Firefly a political bias that it stears clear of. I think that Firefly's politics stem purely from conscience. They are about the little people after all and not governments, politics or ambassadors. I think that it takes the best of Republican history (Lincoln) and the best of Democrat (Roosevelt) in its heart. Flawed but great men. And then it has Lenny Bruce, Bill Hicks, Elmore Leonard and Rod Serling kick them about a bit.
Where was I? The ending with a short outburst of overbearing moral smugness I think. Yes.
Never follow the line that you have to support the incumbant president at a time of crisis. That breeds facism, honestly. Always question even your most beloved party and leader, never follow blindly. And keep a close eye on your troops abroad, pray for them, love them, and be ready to raise your voice if you think they act out of line. We are all human, and humans get scared and make mistakes, succumb to temptation or follow impossible ideals... our collective job is to catch them when they fall.
Thanks for listening, and I request again a new section and thread for this, out of the General Section, and the promotion of further discussion on the matter. Oh, and that we actually LISTEN to opposing views and play devil's advocate whenever we can.
Thanks,
Pete
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War is hell. Bush has a lot of blood on his hands. All Americans do. I feel ashamed.
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Bush lied and people died.
Rather than pick apart the vacuous comments by two windy posters here, anyone who thinks the current occupant of the White House and his minions are good guys (Kerry would not be any better), go immediately to "letsroll911.org" and look at the rocket being fired from the airplane just before it impacts the WTC tower.
The rocket fire is visible on ANY video from ANY and ALL news sources from that day. The other airplane also fired at least one rocket. All that is needed is to slow down any video and watch what happens.
This was while the so-called leader sat on his duff and read a story to school children, while four aircraft had been hijacked.
Bush lied and people died.
.......Ruxton
ps: Check out the heavy hitters who are monitoring that website; and look at the Alexa ratings. Most interesting!
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