What relationships would work?
POSTED BY: MerryK
UPDATED: Thursday, January 17, 2008 20:13
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Quote:I totally didn't get that, obviously! (Must adjust the taking-things-seriously dial...)
Originally posted by MerryK:
Hey, Mal4Prez, that stuff about Jayne was part tongue-in-cheek.
Quote:Agreed! Hey, I like the idea of Jayne meeting his match in a woman. I just don't think River's the one, not as far as canon.
Jayne's got a lot of potential, he just does a pathetic job of dealing with it.
Quote:Very true. And as always when you and I debate, I get the feeling that when it comes down to the basics we agree.
People can have lots of flaws and still have relationships, which was all I was discussing here.
I should note, my argument with S/K fic is hung up on the state of it when I first joined the fandom, when one hook-up suddenly turned Simon into a sensitive, well-spoken, unselfish, full-time devotee of the cutesy engineer. So my posts on the subject are often not addressing you, though you may be the one who brought up the subject.
And honestly, there hasn't been fic like that in some time. I really should just let it rest.
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Well, it was probably a mess-up on my side, not making clear what I believed, what I was analyzing, and what was not meant to be taken seriously. I agree—I dislike those fics, as I do most fics that are "shippy". Me no likey the cutesy sweet.
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"My way of being polite, or however...well, it's the only way I have of showing you that I like you. Of showing respect." Simon Tam, Jaynestown
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Let's get back to the canon relationships and leave Rayne out of the equation, LOL
Steamer, I like your allusion to "Beauty and the Beast" (I know it more as a "Fairytale" by the way, not a Fable)...the spell, the magic, the courtly time period, the romance, etc
But, I always thought this was a good description for "Mal and Inara" Mal-the beast on the inside (we've all see that) and Inara- the obvious beauty.
Inara's beauty in essence tames or kills the beast, OK, maybe not... that sounds like King Kong, but you know what I’m referring to.
Anyway, healing and absolution are more of Inara's role (the Book scene in the pilot). And we all know Mal could use a little healing, whether or not he knows, could lead is in to another discussion.
For a River romance I would hope for a different type of compliment, maybe, someone that shares a similar experience with her, and is nurturing like Simon, or fun and gentle like Wash.
Mal4prez and MerryK, you both bring up valid points for Simon and Kaylee. In the long run, I just don't know if Kaylee will feel secure enough, with Simon. That is my big issue with them, as far as lasting power. She has a fragile ego when it comes to men that she finds herself infatuated with. She is overly sensitive to their awkward comments. We did see some maturity in both of them during the movie, so maybe there is hope, if Joss doesn't kill one of them.
Interesting comments, by the way.
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Originally posted by MerryK:
Wash and Zoe. These two definitely have the honesty thing going for them....They care for each other deeply enough to offer their lives to save the other. Assuming they talk with each other more offscreen, their relationship is very healthy, and could realistically last well into the future if outside circumstances permitted.
I think W/Z love each other deeply but I do see trouble down the road. There are little issues that crop up throughout the series that I believe would cause trouble down the way. Zoe still lives like a soldier. I could see Wash getting really tired of her asking Mal's permission every time they wanted to get away. And the sir thing? That would get on my nerves. For Zoe, the arrangement works perfectly but I honestly can't see Wash tolerating it for too long. Also, Wash doesn't seem entirely comfy with the crime aspect of their lives. Not to mention the violence.
And don't get me started on the baby thing. In the real Firefly 'Verse, I honestly think it would be reckless to have a baby on that "deathtrap." How many times was the ship in danger? Not only was the ship threatened by Reavers and other crooks, how about the Alliance? Let's say Serenity gets caught smuggling or something else, everyone gets arrested so what happens to the baby?
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Mal and Inara.
They could make it work, if they start being honest and give more to the other person, but their status quo predicts only separation in their future.
The shipper in me says Yes, Yes, Yes! Of course they could work. Seriously though, I do believe that with time, alot of time, they could work.
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Simon and Kaylee. These two have a lot to work on, but they have a definite step up from Mal and Inara.
A short-term step up of from M/I. Really, how long could Simon stand to be on Serenity? The guy is accustomed to being useful, needed, in control, etc. and now he is occasionally useful when someone gets shot. What does he do the rest of the time? He must be going stir-crazy!
Basically, the difference between Simon & Kaylee is this: She chose this life on Serenity. He didn't.
Also, how deep are Kaylee's feelings for Simon. When he made his declaration in the BDM she responds with her comment about sex. And also talking with Mal about them leaving she doesn't say she's in love or anything only that she needs loving not of the mechanical kind.
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And, just as a bonus, what about a possible River/Jayne relationship?
No. A mentally traumatized teenager doesn't need to be with a man who sold out her and her brother. And would have done so again if she hadn't beaned him with that can in the BDM.
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You have some points about Simon and Kaylee, CharlieBZ. I see Simon eventually finding a role on Serenity where he feels useful, but that's interpretation. I could also see Kaylee happy on a different ship or in a different home, whether with Simon or not. You're right...she's not really in love with Simon even at the end of the BDM, but I think that that traumatic experience combined with the constant proximity and their attraction for each other could lead to deeper feelings.
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"My way of being polite, or however...well, it's the only way I have of showing you that I like you. Of showing respect." Simon Tam, Jaynestown
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I tend to think a relationship between Mal and Inara would work...with some help. I think all Mal has to do is be able to provide a somewhat decent life for Inara and basically just say the words and she would give it all up for him. At times she seems weary of being a "companion" when Mal is around.
Her reaction to Atherton in Shindig showed that she really doesn't like to be manhandled. And Mal has shown a protective side of himself where she's concerned, especially when Atherton grabbed her...you could almost see the fumes coming out of Mal's ears.
He seems to want her in his life, what with the longing looks, always "discussing the day", if you will, with her sort of like a husband and wife and he really drove this point home in several episodes.
In HOG when he eavesdropped on her conversation with Nandi and immediately said he'd do it with no compensation I took it to mean that he wanted to do something good and nice for Inara so he jumps at the chance to help Inara's friend.
And at the end of the bedroom scene with Nandi, I think Nandi saw something in his eyes that told her he really longed for Inara...a kind of sadness. Every time Nandi mentioned Inara's name he smiled or had to think about his comment, "Just you and me in this room".
Also, when Nandi saw Inara in such a nurturing, helpmate role at the childbirth it kind of makes me think that Nandi sensed someone on board Serenity had brought out the wifely role in Inara.
Anyway, I'm a romantic at heart and I can see them as a couple.
For what it's worth, just my 2 cents.
SBar
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