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UPDATED: Friday, November 9, 2007 02:01
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Quote:Yep. Mesmerized. Yanno, I could post a lot of photos of my own (if I knew how. Anyone care to PM me?
['m done talking to a bunch of drones who can't think for themselves. You think long and hard at those photos
) Did you read the descriptions of children being bashed against walls, women raped as they were tortured, limbs cut off and people left in agony to bleed to death? Brought to you by... the USA!You might want to acquaint yourself with operation Phoenix (maybe Geezer can fill you in). There is nothing that the jihadists have done that we haven't done. Nothing. Our historical tally is well past theirs. But somehow you feel insulated from it all. Not responsible.
Why? Do you think our victims to be less than us? Not worthy of grief? Non-human, in some way?
Or are you afraid of the jihadists' white-hot passion? Do you think the field belongs to the fanatic? Do you sense that events are moving in the wrong direction?
Well, don't worry about jihadists. They'll have to face China sooner or later.
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Originally posted by SignyM:Quote:Yep. Mesmerized. Yanno, I could post a lot of photos of my own (if I knew how. Anyone care to PM me?
['m done talking to a bunch of drones who can't think for themselves. You think long and hard at those photos
Read descriptions ? Now you're fucking joking. Given by who? The very Islamo -fascists who did such horrendous acts themselves, only to cry to a believing world media who accepts the lies of thugs and cut throats ? Give me a damn break. It was the 'world media' which allowed faked pics to run when Israel was retaliating to Hezbollah. You know the ones w/ the dead baby, the exacty same baby which shows up in several different locations. Boy, that dead baby sure did get around! Spare me.
That's bullshit and you know it! NONE of that was done by the USA. This crap ' brougth to you by ' is simple code for.. " well, others did it, but not US soldiers, so we can't accurately blame it on them, nor did they WANT it to happen, but becasue someone else did it, we'll simply blame the US because....... we got nothing else. What a fucking joke.
Quote:Oh,we've killed far more jihadist than they've killed of us. That's not even the issue here. We're trying to SAVE the civilians, while the Jihadist are murdering them. That you can't see the difference is mind blowing.
You might want to acquaint yourself with operation Phoenix (maybe Geezer can fill you in). There is nothing that the jihadists have done that we haven't done. Nothing. Our historical tally is well past theirs. But somehow you feel insulated from it all. Not responsible.
Why? Do you think our victims to be less than us? Not worthy of grief? Non-human, in some way?
Or are you afraid of the jihadists' white-hot passion? Do you think the field belongs to the fanatic? Do you sense that events are moving in the wrong direction?
"Hillary tried to get a million dollars for the Woodstock museum. I understand it was a major cultural and pharmaceutical event. I couldn't attend. I was tied up at the time." - John McCain
It is not those who use the term "Islamo-Fascism" who are sullying the name of Islam; it is the Islamo-Fascists. - Dennis Prager
" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "
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Originally posted by rue:
Like I said, dead is dead. An OOPS (damn my butterfingers !) death is the same as a gottcha.
But I WAY undercounted. The total is somewhere between 500,000 and 1,500,000.
So, you know, you're right. It's apples and oranges.
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How accurate are those numbers which you don't cite with any references , that you can go from 70k to 500 k ,oh, wait 1.5 million w/ in a few minutes time? Compelling ? Not in the least.
"Hillary tried to get a million dollars for the Woodstock museum. I understand it was a major cultural and pharmaceutical event. I couldn't attend. I was tied up at the time." - John McCain
It is not those who use the term "Islamo-Fascism" who are sullying the name of Islam; it is the Islamo-Fascists. - Dennis Prager
" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "
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citizen - You posted historical pics of the holocaust, to prove a point. A point with which I emphatically agree.
I then post historical pics of what is going on in our time, and your dismiss it, out of hand. It seems you and 6ixString see things through the same lens more often than you'd like to admit.
Sorry to disapoint, but I didn't bring up any more 'strawmen' remarks. I'll leave that to you.
You just keep on seeing what you want to see.
"Hillary tried to get a million dollars for the Woodstock museum. I understand it was a major cultural and pharmaceutical event. I couldn't attend. I was tied up at the time." - John McCain
It is not those who use the term "Islamo-Fascism" who are sullying the name of Islam; it is the Islamo-Fascists. - Dennis Prager
" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "
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"How accurate are those numbers which you don't cite with any references , that you can go from 70k to 500 k ,oh, wait 1.5 million w/ in a few minutes time? Compelling ? Not in the least."
The first number, 70,000, was an understatement of the Iraq Body Count http://www.iraqbodycount.org/ 75,971 – 82,776. But I deliberately overestimated the Jihadist-caused fatalities and underestimated the US-caused ones to make the numbers come out even (1:10). The 500,000 is again a round figure from the 2006 Lancet survey whose real number was 654,965. An Opinion Research Business Poll estimated 1,220,580 deaths. The 1,500,000 figure is an estimate by the Iraq government.
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So, in Iraq alone the US has caused AT LEAST 10x more deaths than Jihadists have worldwide.
Do you still say they are more evil ?
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Originally posted by rue:
So, in Iraq alone the US has caused AT LEAST 10x more deaths than Jihadists have worldwide.
Do you still say they are more evil ?
You recycling your flawed argument isn't going to change the facts.
This is pointless. Go buy your prayer rug now.
"Hillary tried to get a million dollars for the Woodstock museum. I understand it was a major cultural and pharmaceutical event. I couldn't attend. I was tied up at the time." - John McCain
It is not those who use the term "Islamo-Fascism" who are sullying the name of Islam; it is the Islamo-Fascists. - Dennis Prager
" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "
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Quote:6 was denying the holocaust took place, so I posted pictures of Jews in concentration camps. You are arguing that Islamic Terrorism is representative of Islam as a whole, all you're pictures prove is Islamic Terrorism exists, not that it is representative. My use of images was a legitimate support of my argument, yours was a red herring.
citizen - You posted historical pics of the holocaust, to prove a point. A point with which I emphatically agree.
I then post historical pics of what is going on in our time, and your dismiss it, out of hand. It seems you and 6ixString see things through the same lens more often than you'd like to admit.
While we're on the subject, Beslan was part of the Chechnyan war, a conflict with very little to do with Islam. Yes Chechnya is predominantly Muslim, but that doesn't mean acts of violence committed by Chechnyans is inspired by Islam, anymore than the Nuclear bombings of Japan can be said to be Christian violence because the US is predominantly Christian.
As for why I didn't post pictures, it has nothing to do with not being able too, its because my argument doesn't require it. My argument wasn't "there are non-Muslim terrorists too" it was that their existence says nothing about mainstream followers. Its disheartening that I had to spell that out, almost as disheartening as the fact you will ignore it.
If you're really desperate for more images of death and violence I can provide them, but at the moment my available equipment makes it difficult, so you'll have to wait until this evening.
Quote:Our words speak for themselves, I say "Islamic Terrorism isn't representative of Islam as a whole" and you retort with "So you think Islamic Terrorism doesn't exist huh". Its a fundamental lie about the intent of my statement, rather than attack my argument, you portray it as a more easily refuted position you can tear down. Hence Strawman. Its so basic an error I'm forced to conclude you are either deeply stupid, or doing it on purpose, and merely stubbornly refusing to accept reality doesn't change that.
Sorry to disapoint, but I didn't bring up any more 'strawmen' remarks. I'll leave that to you.
Lastly, whenever I have accused you of strawmanning, I have provided examples or quotes, the fact you can't do the same speaks volumes.
More insane ramblings by the people who brought you beeeer milkshakes!
No one can see their reflection in running water. It is only in still water that we can see.
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Originally posted by citizen:Quote:6 was denying the holocaust took place, so I posted pictures of Jews in concentration camps. You are arguing that Islamic Terrorism is representative of Islam as a whole, all you're pictures prove is Islamic Terrorism exists, not that it is representative. My use of images was a legitimate support of my argument, yours was a red herring.
citizen - You posted historical pics of the holocaust, to prove a point. A point with which I emphatically agree.
I then post historical pics of what is going on in our time, and your dismiss it, out of hand. It seems you and 6ixString see things through the same lens more often than you'd like to admit.
I'm trying to get you to see that islamic terrorism is real. Whether or not it's indicitive of all Islam, is another issue, but at the very least, you must see what's going on first before you can address the problem.
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While we're on the subject, Beslan was part of the Chechnyan war, a conflict with very little to do with Islam. Yes Chechnya is predominantly Muslim, but that doesn't mean acts of violence committed by Chechnyans is inspired by Islam, anymore than the Nuclear bombings of Japan can be said to be Christian violence because the US is predominantly Christian.
Beslan terrorist got instruction and financing from al Qaeda.
Quote:And because you're so intent on showing what Islam isn't, you'd overlook what it is ?
As for why I didn't post pictures, it has nothing to do with not being able too, its because my argument doesn't require it. My argument wasn't "there are non-Muslim terrorists too" it was that their existence says nothing about mainstream followers. Its disheartening that I had to spell that out, almost as disheartening as the fact you will ignore it.
Quote:I know you'd not be able to reply w/ any relevent set of pics, so don't bother.
If you're really desperate for more images of death and violence I can provide them, but at the moment my available equipment makes it difficult, so you'll have to wait until this evening.
I just don't know why you're so slow to admit that Islamic terrorism even exits,and why so many here want to play the equivocancy game, when it simply doesn't apply.
"Hillary tried to get a million dollars for the Woodstock museum. I understand it was a major cultural and pharmaceutical event. I couldn't attend. I was tied up at the time." - John McCain
It is not those who use the term "Islamo-Fascism" who are sullying the name of Islam; it is the Islamo-Fascists. - Dennis Prager
" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "
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Denying the holocaust is the intellectual equivalent of pissing on the sidewalk. It's the ultimate in troll-isms, an obnoxious insecure child being as bratty as possible to gain the attention of adults.
Replying to them is like feeding the dog at the table. DON'T FEED THE TROLLS
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