Aurap..siggy ..it some CFR...
POSTED BY: kaneman
UPDATED: Friday, November 9, 2007 02:01
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Auraptor, people on the wrong side of our guns look at US like we look at radical Muslims. Our "reasons" to invade another country, turn it upside down and cause vast civilian death and suffering make as little sense to our victims as the jihadist's reasons for killing. Jihadists talk about the "injustice" of the American presence, while dealing injustice. We talk about "fighting terrorism, freedom and democracy" while dealing death pretty much at random. Don't you catch the irony of that?
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Originally posted by rue:
Rap - you didn't answer my question.
I figure the Jihadists have killed maybe 7000, including and since 9/11. Let's say 4000 for 9/11, 500 in Bali, 500 in Beslan, and a couple of thousand for places and people we don't hear about - Indonesians, Afghanis, etc. Now, I know for a fact that as many civilians have been killed by US air-strikes in Afghanistan as by Islamists and warlords together. And the figure for the US attacking Iraq (which didn't actually do anything to the US) - let's take that as a VERY conservative 70,000.
Blowing up the Buddha statues is probably cancelled out by the looting of Iraq museums under the eye of the US AND by US troops. Of course the US is also responsible for the complete destruction of Iraq's infrastructure.
Let's put the US toll at a VERY conservative 70,000 and give the physical destruction category to the US. Who is more evil ?
You tell me.
They are, and it's not even close.
The 'looting' of the Iraqi museums was greatly exaggerated. Most of the valuable items were already gone or locked away, so that point is moot.
I'm just stunned that so many can see the evidence right before their eyes and still deny the problem is Islmaic terrorism. It sure as hell isn't the US, as the invasion of Iraq is very recent, while Islmo-fascism and murdering has been going on for far longer.
I'm done talking to a bunch of drones who can't think for themselves. You think long and hard at those photos, knowing I could add even more to the list, and keep dreaming up reasons why it's the US, and not Islamo-fascist who are to blame.
Then sleep well at night, because even though you know you're wrong, you'll convince yourself otherwise.
"Hillary tried to get a million dollars for the Woodstock museum. I understand it was a major cultural and pharmaceutical event. I couldn't attend. I was tied up at the time." - John McCain
It is not those who use the term "Islamo-Fascism" who are sullying the name of Islam; it is the Islamo-Fascists. - Dennis Prager
" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "
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Dude, 7,000 to 70,000. Do you think the people who were killed are any less dead b/c you tell yourself you're 'right' ?
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citizen wrote:
Thursday, November 01, 2007 14:14
I think arguing "who is more evil, the US or Terrorists" is a bit pointless.
In fact it's clear AU can't think clearly on this subject*, I could post pictures of people covered in blood from attacks perpetrated by Christians, Hindus, fluffy rabbits with big sharp pointy teeth, and say "All this done in the name of GOD - GANESHA - CARROTS!" Like the act is representative of the entire religion**.
I'm thinking very clearly, while you're ignoring the facts. You can't compare a full scale military operation between 2 armies to that of terrorist selecting and targeting unarmed civilians. I'm sorry, but that's simply bullshit, and you know it.
Sorry citizen, but you CAN'T actually present photos as you claim, or else you'd have done it. The very fact that I can and have proves my point. These act were SPECIFICALLY done in the name of Allah by the very ones who committed the crimes! How you FUCKING deny that is beyond all comprehension, and yet your stubborness knows no bounds.
"Hillary tried to get a million dollars for the Woodstock museum. I understand it was a major cultural and pharmaceutical event. I couldn't attend. I was tied up at the time." - John McCain
It is not those who use the term "Islamo-Fascism" who are sullying the name of Islam; it is the Islamo-Fascists. - Dennis Prager
" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "
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Originally posted by rue:
Dude, 7,000 to 70,000. Do you think the people who were killed are any less dead b/c you tell yourself you're 'right' ?
False comparisons don't count. Sorry.
"Hillary tried to get a million dollars for the Woodstock museum. I understand it was a major cultural and pharmaceutical event. I couldn't attend. I was tied up at the time." - John McCain
It is not those who use the term "Islamo-Fascism" who are sullying the name of Islam; it is the Islamo-Fascists. - Dennis Prager
" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "
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Tell me what's false. Dead is dead. We got more, they got an order of magnitude less.
So tell me - what's false.
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Originally posted by chrisisall:
AU...you're starting to make me think of PirateNews' tactics... those pictures get an emotional response, but pictures of CIA trained Contras filling mass graves with women and children would do the same.
Stick to conversing to make your point.
CIA contras isn't the same as a world wide Islamic terrorist movement,and you know it. These contras were battling Soviet trained Sandinistas, so any thing you can come up w/ there is a draw, at best. Nothing remotely close to the Islmo-fascist we're fighting today.
"Hillary tried to get a million dollars for the Woodstock museum. I understand it was a major cultural and pharmaceutical event. I couldn't attend. I was tied up at the time." - John McCain
It is not those who use the term "Islamo-Fascism" who are sullying the name of Islam; it is the Islamo-Fascists. - Dennis Prager
" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "
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I was talking about the 70,000 dead Iraqis killed by the US. Not the contras or the CIA.
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Originally posted by rue:
Tell me what's false. Dead is dead. We got more, they got an order of magnitude less.
So tell me - what's false.
You're undercounting the terrorist murders, for one, and then the big problem is you're comparing targeted civilians by the terrorist as being equal to the military deaths and colateral damage ( non targeted civilians ) by the US Military during a MAJOR conflict. It's not even apples to organges, it's so far apart, so the issue is moot.
"Hillary tried to get a million dollars for the Woodstock museum. I understand it was a major cultural and pharmaceutical event. I couldn't attend. I was tied up at the time." - John McCain
It is not those who use the term "Islamo-Fascism" who are sullying the name of Islam; it is the Islamo-Fascists. - Dennis Prager
" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "
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Like I said, dead is dead. An OOPS (damn my butterfingers !) death is the same as a gottcha.
But I WAY undercounted. The total is somewhere between 500,000 and 1,500,000.
So, you know, you're right. It's apples and oranges.
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Those Islamist pikers ! Pathetic - 7,000. They need to get out of the way and let the real pros work.
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