[spoiler]Reavers[/spoiler]
POSTED BY: rallem
UPDATED: Wednesday, November 7, 2007 22:53
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OK, I just have to say that this is one of the most creatively interesting threads I have EVER seen...and resembles the "farming on the rim" one going on in the 76th board to a degree. Man, how did I not know about this stuff EARLIER????
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The question of how many Reavers are left or how and/or whether they can reproduce, etc. are borderline moot following the BDM. The Alliance has to protect its citizens in order to maintain their claim to legitimacy. They don't do a very good job of it out on the rim, but they are SUPPOSED to. In the days of the series, the Alliance's official stance was that Reavers did not exist, and there apparently wasn't enough incontrovertable evidence to prevent them from getting away with this. Now that the signal has gone out and EVERYBODY knows the truth, the Alliance will have to answer not only for their current stance, but for the cover-up of 10 years, or however long it was (I forget). The result will be that the public will urge the Alliance into a Reaver-hunting campaign, and since the Alliance has all the space munitions (warships, etc.) which I assume have gone virtually unused since the War, with the exception of chasing down smugglers and doing patrols and so forth, they certainly have the available resources to make that hunt very effective.
So, bottom line, whatever Reavers might have been left, and regardless of whether not they can breed, they are going to be exterminated. True, tiny bands might avoid destruction, and who knows, mass broadcast of the signal could even spark the creation of some kind of sick "Reaver-cult", but Reavers as we knew them are going to be extinct.
As for Miranda being colonized, I don't see it. I don't think you could get settlers to go near the place. I see it more like getting a nasty reputation, and being avoided as "forbidden" for centuries after anybody really remembers why.
One thing I will say: a couple have made a distinction between a "convert" and a "true" Reaver. However, Pax changes the brain, not the body. They only physical changes in the Reavers are either things they did intentionally to themselves (or one another) or due to radiation burns from their ships, so as far as I'm concerned, whether you were drugged into it or chose to be it, there is no meaningful distinction between an "original" and a "convert."
"When you can't do somethin' smart, do somethin' right!" -Jayne Cobb quotes Shepherd Book
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Originally posted by SchoolboysWink:
One thing I will say: a couple have made a distinction between a "convert" and a "true" Reaver. However, Pax changes the brain, not the body. They only physical changes in the Reavers are either things they did intentionally to themselves (or one another) or due to radiation burns from their ships, so as far as I'm concerned, whether you were drugged into it or chose to be it, there is no meaningful distinction between an "original" and a "convert."
I'm going to wholeheartedly agree with this point. The "false reaver" concept is more like "are you a citizen or naturalized"...you're here now, who cares. Consider it very messy Stockholm syndrome. But, once the brain is there, the mutilations will follow...
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I agree that the current group of Reavers will die out (no more Pax, sterilized by radiation, don't generally allow survivors to well, survive long enough to convert).
I think they may become more in keeping with what the Dortmunder's Captain postulated. Whenever a crew of slavers or murderous thieves wants an instant terror response from their target, they paint up their ship like a reaver, strap a few carcasses to the hull, breach wherever it won't vent atmosphere, jink the containment just enough to leave a trail without cooking everyone, play dress up with a bit of custom leather wear & makeup, hit the ground hard, gather up a few folk, kill a few others...
Looks like Reavers, acts like reavers, must be Reavers.
If your kin get snatched by slavers, you might get to thinking on pursuit, snatching them back, revenge, buying their contract, etc.
If your kin get snatched by Reavers, you mourn the loss & count yourself lucky to have lived through it. NOONE pursues Reavers. Not even Alliance.
The Reavers may all die out, but neo-reavers will be around until there's no more room for naughty men to move about.
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I think you were right in assuming that the reavers will cease to exist, so the point of a "true" and "converted" Reaver is mute, but I don't think that space or any space will be safe. I think that space which was filled with Reavers will be filled with other scum such as pirates, and possibly a dangerous religious cult or two.
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Not everyone would believe the broadcast. How many times do we see something that incriminated our own government, and people just brush it off? I'm not trying to go all conspiracy theory here, I'm just saying that not everyone listens very well.
Most people on the core worlds wouldn't care much about the Reavers anyway. People tend to care more about what's happening to themselves.
As for what I said earlier, we have no idea what the "pax" actually is. I would think that 500 years from now, technology would allow a drug to be used only once. I got the impression that it was part of the terraforming process, which means that they would have wanted it to last.
"We may experience some slight turbulence, and then... explode."
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During the late 1800s and very early 1900s people from the well established cities like New York and Chicago couldn't get enough of news on the frontier, so I would imagine the same phenomenon would go in in the Verse, also it doesn't matter if many people believed the broadcast or not. It only mattered if the right people like journalists believed and followed up on the story.
Back to Miranda a moment: I wonder what the main forms of export were for Miranda? On the moon with Mud Farmers, we were told that the mud they export was used for the ceramic shields of space craft, and that was a small moon where it is plausible for there to be only major form of revenue, but on Miranda there were about 30 million people there and at least a dozen well formed cities, so I wonder what they did on that planet to make ends meet.
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I might try to write a fan fic about the recolonization of Miranda.
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"if this looks familiar to any 76ers, I posted it last night on the 76th board"
It came to me last night.
Miranda...there were reavers...but EVERYONE commented on no damage, no bodies harmed, nothing broken down at all.
NOT sitting here sayin, "hey, Joss f*cked up" in the least. But, did I just find one of those annoying little inconsistencies???
The hologram woman was actually attacked by one. We're assuming she was in or very near to that ship, right? Why is there no evidence of the reavers' presence?
Just a thought that came floating in...not unlike a leaf on the wind. Snickering as I turn in for the night.
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Originally posted by rallem:
I might try to write a fan fic about the recolonization of Miranda.
And I'd LOVE to see that fan fic piece!
BTW, when my middle Georgia Methodist grandfather heard me talking about Browncoats, he was a might concerned that I had joined a cult....
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