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UPDATED: Friday, November 9, 2007 02:01
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6ixstring, you're an idiot.
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Not to stir up old shit for nothing Rap and anybody else who just can't believe that I don't buy the Holocaust as it was sold to us, but I saw Forrest Gump shake JFK's hand. I don't believe anything I see on the news or read in a history book.
You equate CGI technology of today to the 1000's of photos taken 50 yrs ago ? Wow. And I suppose all those folks simply got tattoos of serial numbers on their arms for kicks and giggles, huh? Your reasons for not believing in the holocaust have nothing to do w/ the actual evidence,they're a priori. Your indignation towards Jews and at what you imagine is 'jew power' around the world has obviously warped your mind. Yours is such a contorted position on its face, I don't see how you've survived in a world in which clearly you're extremely cynical of everything all around you.
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Quote:If you say so, it sure as hell wasn't me, which is what you accused me of.
Originally posted by Auraptor:
I didn't bring up the religion game, Frem did.
Quote:As I said, you're going to have to learn that you're opinion isn't an objective fact. You've not shown me objective fact, you've ranted, and made vague references to Islamic terrorism as if its representative of all of Islam. Objective fact would be figures, statistics and data from third party sources, not just your opinion qualified with "because I say so."
I show you objective fact, and you simply call it 'opinion'.
If you can provide that, we can talk in terms of facts, until then we're both discussing our opinions, no matter how undeniable you believe yours to be.
Quote:I can assure you none of my relatives go by that name. Is this perhaps another reference to me being a pro-terrorist because I don't agree with you?
You and Baghdad Bob must be related somehow.
Quote:See, wasn't that easy? Though 'Islamo' isn't actually a word...
Islamo-fascist, Islmo-jihadsit, Muslim extremist,Radical Islam, Islamo-terrorist, etc...call it what you will, it's all the f-ing same. A world wide culture of terrorism which uses Islam as it's front while committing ever known atrocity known to man. In the 21st century.
So can we accept that the point that Islamic terrorists are not representative of mainstream Islam is conceded? In which case will you stop using the terms as interchangeable?
Quote:I suggest you keep working on your mind reading skills. The truth of my intent lay with the qualifier of my original statement, it came after the comma you must have read as a full-stop. My only claim about Dahmer was that he was a Christian, and that that proves nothing about Christianity. The words are right there in my initial post, refuting any Strawman you would like to prescribe to me.
You're missing the point, fellah. YOU made a claim about Jeffery Dahmer and then when called on it, ( per usual ) you crawfish away from your original intent - making Christians sound every bit as bad as Islamo-fascits.
As for your characterisation of my position, you'll have to back that up. Where did I say "Christians are the same as 'Islamo-fascists'?" If you're honest you'll recognise that I said nothing of the sort, my position is and all ways has been that: Christianity is no better or worse than Islam, on the whole. I am not the one who thinks the terms 'Islam' and 'Islamo-fascists' are equivalent, remember? Characterising my position as you have done is at best a misunderstanding driven by not reading what I have said properly, and at worst a barefaced lie. Reread what I wrote, accept you've got my position wrong (rather than assuming you know more about the contents of my head than I do), and stop flogging this dead horse, please.
Quote:Step back from the keyboard, take a deep breath and look again. It is not I getting overly emotional here.
Sorry, but the OBJECTIVE facts show otherwise. I'm sorry that pisses you off to have to hear that, but it's true. Get f-ing use to it.
Quote:I'm glad you've decided what information I need and what I don't, how refreshing to not have to think for myself with you as my censor. However, you will have to back this up with something other than your say so.
Per the female genital cutting ( FGC ), it's FAR more common in Muslim practicing parts of Africa and the Mid East than any other religion. That's all you need to know.
Also, this in and of itself doesn't prove that it is a 'Muslim practice', that would be an irrelevant conclusion, correlation does not prove causation.
The question (which you side stepped quite nicely, well done you) was: how can the practice pre-date Christianity, but not Islam, when Christianity is older? And if it pre-dates both, it must be a cultural issue, surely? You're assertion that it predates Christianity, but not the younger Islam, makes no sense.
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"I didn't bring up the religion game, Frem did."
Bullshit, are you really that clueless or think we're that gullible ?
Scroll up, fucktard.
I was talking about Ron Paul - YOU chose to bring your fanatic religious venom and hatred into the topic, and I turned it about on you, showing that the so called "good guys" were every single bit as vile, and from my perspective a greater threat to what I hold dear.
"I show you objective fact"
You hand out a bunch of biased rightwingnut faery tales from laughable sources and I blow them to fucking powder, is more like it - we've been round and round THAT table often enough Rap, just like here where you pretended to take issue with someones positions... and then when pressed, admitted you did not even know what the fuck they WERE.
Do you even ever fact check anything at ALL if it's something you wanna hear ?
"Compasssionate Conservativism, Christian Values, Spreading Democracy etc...call it what you will, it's all the f-ing same. A world wide culture of terrorism which uses Christianity as it's front while committing every known atrocity known to man. In the 21st century."
Here, fixed that for you.
Seriously dude, you sound EXACTLY like a Klansman talking about black people, EXACTLY.
Not to be especially crass, but what those fuckers do in some other country is THAT countries problem, and if they wanna fix it, they can damn well start killin the bastards themselves - not to mention a lot of them were elevated to or even voted into the positions of power they now hold by a substantial majority of the folks you're trying to play off as victims.
Fact is, no matter how powerful a dictator is, if ENOUGH of their own people want em dead, they're gone, and for a foreign power to step in and meddle is to guarantee that even the ones who hate the sumbitch will attack YOU, because he is *their* sumbitch to deal with, not yours.
Sure, islamic fanatics *at this time* may be worse in behavior than christian fanatics, but history has endless cycles where various religions have gone through reformation and moderate policy, as well as cycling back into fanaticism, which fanaticism is something the nature of most religion itself encourages.
Just because a serial burglar is taking a week off and not currently at the moment burgling a house, doesn't mean imma scrap and sell my alarm system, oh hell no.
ALL of these zealots are a threat, but the ones that are a threat to ME are the ones HERE.
Maybe you can't understand that, maybe you're too drenched in religious and racial hatreds to see threats outside of your narrow worldview, or maybe even you can't comprehend it cause you're one of them and thus they are no threat to you - hell in that case you might not even see a problem with it....
I'm pretty sure it just ain't even gonna get across to you, ever, but this much I will say, cause I want it loud and clear even if you never do comprehend it.
To me, YOU.. sound... just. like. them.
Oh, and Jack - get used to it.
When you start to question things people hold so dearly that even attempting to examine the evidence sends them into a fanatic rage of violated "faith", you won't be making very many friends - and questioning "The Lobby" is always gonna amount to a knee-jerk flaming, dude.
Kinda funny how Pagans don't react that way when discussing the inquisitions and the burnings though.
I find the reactions themselves very telling - cause if anything, examining the evidence would lead to a better understanding not only of what happened, but how to better prevent it, as well as a better understanding of all the causes and peoples involved.
It's like a prosecutor in a murder case holding up a weapon in a smeared, cloudy evidence bag 20 feet away and stating that it's the murder weapon... but when the court goes to examine it, screaming "DONT TOUCH THAT!" when anyone tries to even go near it.
At which point you might begin to suspect that ain't the murder weapon.
Anyhow, the
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Quote:Well we can be fairly safe in the knowledge there was German propaganda, ever read Mein Kampf? Would what we call propaganda today been called such if the Germans had won the war? Probably not (though British and American propaganda of the time is labeled as such), but if you don't mind me asking, so what?
Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
Okay.... how's this. Of course there may or may not have been German propaganda during World War II when the Germans may or may not have been putting Jews and Polocks in the ovens. We've all seen the alleged propaganda pictures before. If this alleged propoganda were to actually have existed in the first place, and the Germans won the war, do you really believe that it would have gone down in the history books as propoganda, alleged or otherwise?
Quote:Before I say this I want to preface it, I don't think you're an anti-Semite, but having a Jewish uncle doesn't mean you aren't, Hitler had a Jewish doctor he spoke very highly of. People can compartmentalise some quite extreme antithetical view points.
To illustrate that I'm not somebody that is racist against Jewish people. You know that, so let's not play games. As far as I'm concerned my uncle is just another one of the guys.
Quote:Hitler was Austrian, but I get your meaning ;-).
Nor should all Germans be judged on what Hitler allegedly did, for that matter.
Quote:If you're talking about the US Gov. seemingly limitless support for Israel, you don't have to look any further than the rapture nuts Christians. These guys think the rapture is on its way, but they need Israel to take over the middle east, and rebuild a few temples first. Its all down to Bible prophecy, apparently. Self fulfilling prophecy, if those nutters get their way.
1. Jews (see: not all jews, just those who matter and are in power) run the money and the show today. They own Wall Street, they own Hollywood, the run the FED. They are fine associating themselves with white people until it suits them to distinguish themselves as Jewish.
2. Any politician who says that we have no business in Isreal is labeled an anti-semite and risks his political career simply uttering words along those lines. What is there really in Isreal that's worth keeping. What secret lies there that they would have us defend to the point that we may cause World War III because we are simply unable to let the middle east devour it? I'm all for giving any Isrealite safe harbor here, but we need to get our ass out of that business immediately.
World War III is a wet dream to those people...
Quote:Well technical Israel is a Jewish nation, but I'm not sold on whether they do have disproportionate control in the world.
It just all seems very convient the way that the people without a nation have so much control over the world and the economy today.
Quote:If ever you're in the mood to visit Europe, tour one of the concentration camps.
Hey... I could be wrong. It's not as if I'm Mr Iran flat out denying that it ever happened. I wasn't there... maybe the fishiest story that reeks of the most bullshit that I've ever heard of in my life really did somehow happen.
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Frem - you EXPANDED the issue of religion, but the hard fact of the matter is, the currrent Islamo-fascists are , by their own admission, RELIGIOUS, so the point of who started it all is moot. It was they who started it, w/ the mere discussion of the 'war on terror' which Ron Paul wants to ignore.
That you're spinning so far off the topic is now getting annoying.
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You hand out a bunch of biased rightwingnut faery tales from laughable sources and I blow them to fucking powder, is more like it - we've been round and round THAT table often enough Rap, just like here where you pretended to take issue with someones positions... and then when pressed, admitted you did not even know what the fuck they WERE.
More empty hyperbole on your part. Stick to the facts or shut the fuck up. Stick a sock in your bloviating blow hole.
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Compasssionate Conservativism, Christian Values, Spreading Democracy etc...call it what you will, it's all the f-ing same. A world wide culture of terrorism which uses Christianity as it's front while committing every known atrocity known to man. In the 21st century."
Here, fixed that for you.
No, you stuck your head up your ass changed Islamo-fascist to something inapplicable, and then tried to paint everything w/ the equivocal paint brush of yours, becaues you're too much of a pussy to face the facts.
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Fact is, no matter how powerful a dictator is, if ENOUGH of their own people want em dead, they're gone, and for a foreign power to step in and meddle is to guarantee that even the ones who hate the sumbitch will attack YOU, because he is *their* sumbitch to deal with, not yours.
Stalin, Hitler, Pot, Mussolini, Kim Jong- il, Saddam Hussein,....do you REALLY need me to go on? Sorry to have to do that to you, but you asked for it.
Quote:....and what fuckihg do are we living in NOW? Are we living in the Dark Ages of Europe? Nope. we're having to deal w/ these zealots NOW. Or, at least some of us want to deal with them. Others simply want to whine and bitch that EVERY religion has its brigands,and who are we to defend ourselves from one group over another ? HINT: Because they threaten life in OUR time.
Sure, islamic fanatics *at this time* may be worse in behavior than christian fanatics,
" Blah blah blah..narrow world view and religious hatred "
And thus the debate ends. Say goodnight, Gracie.
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Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
Wow.... nice. Now you're just playing games with me.
Actually, I'm not. I'm making a fairly serious point about conspiracy theories. Once you veer into that territory, all bets are off. I'm not saying that the conspiracies themselves aren't true, but you can drive yourself crazy going down this path. If you doubt all the information that's out there, how can you maintain any convictions at all?
My litmus test is the overall plausibility of the proposition. Now, the idea of millions of people being systematically exterminated is hard to believe. But you're asking people to believe that there was a worldwide conspiracy to fake the holocaust. It doesn't take much consideration to realize how insanely difficult it would be to pull that off, much less maintain it as official history for sixty years.
There's a huge mass of evidence and direct accounts indicating that the Holocaust happened. You'll have to do better than some imagined Jewish cabal to build a convincing argument.
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...Germans won the war, do you really believe that it would have gone down in the history books as propoganda, alleged or otherwise?
Yeah, I think it would have. Attempts to hide the truth on the scale you're suggesting inevitably fail in the long run.
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You, however, turned that around on me and said that my Uncle must be evil because he is Jewish or some such nonsense.
Uh, no. I didn't. I was suggesting that if you think Jews have access to some secret nexus of power, then you should tap your uncle. I was pointing out the silliness of basing this kind of paranoia on race. Sure, some Jews are rich and powerful. But far more Christians are rich and powerful. What are they up to?
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I don't believe anything I didn't witness with my own eyes, and even then I still question a hell of a lot of it.
But aren't you a Christian? Do you question the bible with the same rigor?
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1. Jews (see: not all jews, just those who matter and are in power) run the money and the show today. They own Wall Street, they own Hollywood, the run the FED. They are fine associating themselves with white people until it suits them to distinguish themselves as Jewish.
You describe Jews as though they have a unity of purpose that defies logic. Do you really think that the kind of strong-willed, independent personalities it takes to achieve that kind of success are likely to take orders from Jew-Central? Sure, there are a lot of successful Jews. So what? It doesn't prove, or even vaguely suggest that there's a conspiracy involved.
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No offence meant frem, cause some of that was pretty spot on, but it seems you've given AU the excuse he needed to wriggle out of having to stand up and face his bigotry 
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Not that trying to speak to him rationally was getting any of us anywhere, so maybe thats a good thing?
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Originally posted by citizen:
No offence meant frem, cause some of that was pretty spot on, but it seems you've given AU the excuse he needed to wriggle out of having to stand up and face his bigotry
Not that trying to speak to him rationally was getting any of us anywhere, so maybe thats a good thing?
A bigot is a prejudiced person who is intolerant of opinions, lifestyles, or identities differing from his or her own.
Sorry Citizen, but that ain't me either. I'm quite open about my distain and even hatred for low life scum who want to impose their world view onto me and others. What I don't understand is why these muslim zealots can't live their lives and let others carry on with theirs. No, instead , they feel the need to cut off heads of little Christian girls on their way to school in the Philippines, or blow up a produce market in Iraq, Egypt or Pakistan. Why can't they be more like the Ammish , who live primarily in the state of Pennsylvania, here in the USA. They geneally keep the themselves, adhere to their religous teachings, shun the modern life, for the most part, and are to my understanding agreeable folk.
It's not folks who are different that I dislike, it's when they use their differences as justification to rape, murder and destroy that which isn't deemed 'acceptable' to THEIR religion.
Fact is, you have it 180 degrees backwards. But then, you'd never be man enough to admit you were wrong. At least everyone else knows. And that's all that matters to me.
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Quote:Does that spread equally in ALL directions?
It's not folks who are different that I dislike, it's when they use their differences as justification to rape, murder and destroy that which isn't deemed 'acceptable' to THEIR religion
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Quote:Strange how it's that last post you chose to respond to.
Originally posted by AURaptor:
Fact is, you have it 180 degrees backwards. But then, you'd never be man enough to admit you were wrong. At least everyone else knows. And that's all that matters to me.
Whatever man, you're spouting stuff that wouldn't look out of place in Mein Kampf, but I'm the bigot because, erm, well you can't seem to work the reasoning for that one out. So yeah, everyone else knows, like frem said...
YOU. Sound. Just. Like. Them.
Bye AU, go back to your little world. Hopefully you and the rest of the nutjobs will wipe each other out before you harm the decent folk.
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