Aurap..siggy ..it some CFR...
POSTED BY: kaneman
UPDATED: Friday, November 9, 2007 02:01
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Re: 9-11 and Iraq
Well, subject to interpretation, but we do catch a lot of blowback from meddling over there - understanding why some dickhead wants to bomb us is the first step to preventing it.
We'll have to disagree about iraq, but at least I get where you stand on the issue.
Something, at least,
-F
It cannot be said enough, those who do not learn from history, are doomed to endlessly repeat it
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the Christiofascists will say ANYTHING to justify what they're doing,in their God's name. This isn't about revenge or the poor of the world crying out for help, this is about religious zealotry and some who feel their god isn't getting enough attention from the rest of the world. They'll say anything to gather as many useful idiots both in and outside of their religion to use as they see fit, regardless of the truth.
Here, fixed that for you.
Both statements are equally valid, mind you, our own zealots no less vile, deceptive or malicious than theirs are - and to be ruthlessly blunt about it, I'd like to see the lot of em sent off to their preferred afterlife where they can't be of annoyance to rational folk here.
Problem is, while folk are afraid of one set of these zealous fanatics, they're too pigheaded stupid and blind to realize that in engaging the perceieved threat of that set, we are fully delivering ourselves and our nation into the hands of an equally evil set.
One could hope they'd kill each other off, but the prime movers on either side don't fight, they send poor clueless kids to kill each other to further their agendas instead.
Regardless of which set "wins" WE still lose, and the only real difference in the end is which set of religious dogma is gonna be crammed down our throats on a pike.
And folks wonder why imma Anarchist...
-Frem
It cannot be said enough, those who do not learn from history, are doomed to endlessly repeat it
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I recommend you read "Jesus on Mars" by Phillip Jose Farmer Frem...... very entertaining book along the lines of what you say here.
"A government is a body of people, usually notably ungoverned." http://www.myspace.com/6ixstringjack
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Scary book, that - and it reminds me of something else... ponder if the council in LoTR had stumbled upon the One Ring with utterly no knowledge of it's history.. the effect might have been similar.
One quote from the book points such out.
"The only difference between them and Jesus is that Jesus can do good. But it's an insidious good that will lead directly but subtly to subtle evil."
You give the One Ring of Power to anyone, and the results will be the same, the only difference is how fast the onslaught comes and in which form.
And in our world, that One Ring has a name.
Government.
"One Ring to rule them all, One Ring to find them, One Ring to bring them all and in the darkness bind them"
Only one tiny minority of people are crazy enough to throw that fucker back into the fire from whence it came - everyone else just wants it for themselves.
I sure as hell wouldn't want it myself.
-Frem
It cannot be said enough, those who do not learn from history, are doomed to endlessly repeat it
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Ah.... so you have read it already. Love Phillip Jose Farmer myself. It wasn't "To Your Scattered Bodies Go", but it definately makes you ask a lot of questions after reading it. "A government is a body of people, usually notably ungoverned." http://www.myspace.com/6ixstringjack
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the Islamo-fascists will say ANYTHING to justify what they're doing,in their God's name......
Both statements are equally valid, mind you, our own zealots no less vile, deceptive or malicious than theirs are - and to be ruthlessly blunt about it, I'd like to see the lot of em sent off to their preferred afterlife where they can't be of annoyance to rational folk here.
Problem is, while folk are afraid of one set of these zealous fanatics, they're too pigheaded stupid and blind to realize that in engaging the perceieved threat of that set, we are fully delivering ourselves and our nation into the hands of an equally evil set.
One could hope they'd kill each other off, but the prime movers on either side don't fight, they send poor clueless kids to kill each other to further their agendas instead.
Regardless of which set "wins" WE still lose, and the only real difference in the end is which set of religious dogma is gonna be crammed down our throats on a pike.
And folks wonder why imma Anarchist...
-Frem
Sorry, but there's no comparison between the Islamo Jihadist and the few fringe abortion doctor killin' Christians. There simply isn't. Looking at the number of suicide bombings, car bombings, deaths caused BY muslims to the handful caused by Christians over the past 30 years, it's mountains to molehills. If we beat radical Islam, we ALL win...gays, women, children..EVERYONE wins.
p.s. Latest Offerings from the Religion of Peace
10/29/2007 (al-Baraka, Somalia) - A woman is killed by a bomb set by Islamic militias.
10/29/2007 (Lashkar Gar, Afghanistan) - A teenage suicide bomber kills three Afghans civilians.
10/28/2007 (Kut, Iraq) - A woman is among two people gunned down by Islamic terrorists.
10/28/2007 (Kirkuk, Iraq) - A suicidal Sunni bomber targets innocent Shia at a bus terminal, killing at least eight.
10/28/2007 (Baghdad, Iraq) - Two people are killed in a Jihad bombing.
10/27/2007 (Swat, Pakistan) - Islamic militants behead two captured soldiers and five civilians.
"Hillary tried to get a million dollars for the Woodstock museum. I understand it was a major cultural and pharmaceutical event. I couldn't attend. I was tied up at the time." - John McCain
" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "
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*points to the peaceful "Christian" history of crusades, inquisitions, persecutions and general bloody conquest going all the way back to damn near pre-history*
And I am supposed to trust THESE guys not to act like THOSE guys ?
Right, sure.
All I am saying is that from MY position, when BOTH sides pretty blatantly would like my unbeliever ass wiped from the planet - that their actions and rhetoric look very much alike, cause crazy zealots all have the same basic do or die agenda.
As for a "few fringe" haven't you been paying attention ?
John Bolton, General Boykin, Michele Bachmann, Rick Perry, Erik Prince, Randall Terry, James Dobson, Jerry Falwell, Sam Brownback, PNAC and the Zionists....
Try listening to the endless torrent of hate coming out of their mouths for anyone not of their beliefs, and ask yourself why I would not see these folk as an equal if not greater threat ?
Most of them muslim fanatics are over THERE -->
7000 miles away, with no air force, no substantive military arm, and a subsistence level infrastructure.
Most of them christian fanatics are over HERE <--
Right in my back yard, and way too damn many of them are in charge, or in positions of power which can be bent upon us poor unbelievers in an instant should they ever get their way significantly.
It's like looking at Godzilla versus Mothra from the perspective of Tokyo - at least for me, no matter which "wins" the city is still gonna get wrecked, and you'll probably be stomped or eaten by the survivor.
When it comes right down to it, the only difference at all between these religious lunatics is the specifics of their faith and where most of them live - and that's IT.
-Frem
It cannot be said enough, those who do not learn from history, are doomed to endlessly repeat it
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Luckily the Christian Far Right and Rapture party nutjobs have no say in Bush Government foriegn policy.
Cause that would be scary.
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US Christian fundamentalists are driving Bush's Middle East policy
To understand what is happening in the Middle East, you must first understand what is happening in Texas. To understand what is happening there, you should read the resolutions passed at the state's Republican party conventions last month. Take a look, for example, at the decisions made in Harris County, which covers much of Houston.
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I don't know what the original motion said, but apparently it was "watered down significantly" as a result of the shouting match. The motion they adopted stated that Israel has an undivided claim to Jerusalem and the West Bank, that Arab states should be "pressured" to absorb refugees from Palestine, and that Israel should do whatever it wishes in seeking to eliminate terrorism. Good to see that the extremists didn't prevail then.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/comment/story/0,3604,1195568,00.html
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Bush White House checked with rapture Christians before latest Israel move
It was an e-mail we weren't meant to see. Not for our eyes were the notes that showed White House staffers taking two-hour meetings with Christian fundamentalists, where they passed off bogus social science on gay marriage as if it were holy writ and issued fiery warnings that "the Presidents [sic] Administration and current Government is engaged in cultural, economical, and social struggle on every level"—this to a group whose representative in Israel believed herself to have been attacked by witchcraft unleashed by proximity to a volume of Harry Potter. Most of all, apparently, we're not supposed to know the National Security Council's top Middle East aide consults with apocalyptic Christians eager to ensure American policy on Israel conforms with their sectarian doomsday scenarios.
http://www.villagevoice.com/news/0420,perlstein,53582,1.html
More insane ramblings by the people who brought you beeeer milkshakes!
No one can see their reflection in running water. It is only in still water that we can see.
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I love the way how y'all expand the issue from murderous religious zealots TODAY to citizens simply having a say in Gov't, or dredging up history from 100's of yrs ago. Wow. Big shocker there (sarcasm)
You're mixing apples and oranges. Are the Fred Phelps of the world as deranged and off kilter as OBL and al Qaeda? Perhaps in their views, yes, but in how they run their organizations or how they chop off the heads of those who they oppose......it's a moot point.
Who killed Theo Van Gogh?
Who kiils their daughters that shame the family name ?
Who routinely mutilates young girls genitals ?
Unless and until you can honestly answer those types of qusetions, then there's no point in even moving forward w/ the discussion.
"Hillary tried to get a million dollars for the Woodstock museum. I understand it was a major cultural and pharmaceutical event. I couldn't attend. I was tied up at the time." - John McCain
" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "
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The honour killings thing is an Arab cultural contamination of the Muslim religion not something demanded by the religion itself. In fact if you look you will find honour killings are common in Lebanese Christian communities as well for the same reason and I know the J-man definately didn't say that was OK.
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