Aurap..siggy ..it some CFR...
POSTED BY: kaneman
UPDATED: Friday, November 9, 2007 02:01
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Quote:I disagree. Keep in mind this is a -propaganda- war as much as a 'ground' war. Just because one listens, does not mean one believes. Just because one fights the propaganda, does not mean one genuinely accepts what the opponent is stating. Remember, we want to cut off the next generation of terrorists -before- they become radicalized.
Originally posted by AURaptor:
You're still legitimizing the terrorist's view point by acknowledging what it is he CLAIMS he doesn't like about us. We also must face the fact that Muslims don't see lying to non Muslims as any sort of a sin. So in reality, what ever OBL claims are his 'legitimate' reasons aren't worth the paper they're printed on.
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Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
...there is no possible way that the Holocaust happened as the textbooks ... would have us believe.
Just curious, what would you put as a range of deaths which occurred? 500,000 +/- 100,000? Or are you just going with 'can't believe'?
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Quote:Would it change your opinion any in the least if I told you folks DID know what was going on?
6ixStringJack wrote:
Sunday, October 28, 2007 19:16
How come nobody knew about it at the time? Why did we hear about it so much after the fact?
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Just the power they have today because of the "poor jews" and their ordeal should make anyone suspicious. They have complete diplomatic and political immunity and they run this country now. That is why I don't believe that it happened
Their ordeal ?? Have you not seen the emaciated bodies piled 20-30ft high? The mass graves ? The ovens ? The showers/gas chambers ? Seriously, wtf is it in your brain that blocks you from acknowledging these facts ??? Showus evidence of suffering anywhere through out the war torn world at that time that comes close to matching the numbers and severity which was seen at the German Concentration camps.
And exactly how do they "run this country now "?? That's a load of crap that you simply can't back up. Who was the last Jewish President ? You ignore the facts and instead play the indignation card as if that has ANY bearing on the facts from 60 yrs ago.
This is truly sad.
"Hillary tried to get a million dollars for the Woodstock museum. I understand it was a major cultural and pharmaceutical event. I couldn't attend. I was tied up at the time." - John McCain
" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "
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leadb wrote:
Monday, October 29, 2007 01:46
Remember, we want to cut off the next generation of terrorists -before- they become radicalized.
Then we're about 30-40 yrs too late. What we're seeing now is the result of everyone else falling asleep for the past several decades. If not longer.
"Hillary tried to get a million dollars for the Woodstock museum. I understand it was a major cultural and pharmaceutical event. I couldn't attend. I was tied up at the time." - John McCain
" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "
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Rap,
There's a lot of truth to that statement, the roots of this problem are not just Bush's and -I- for one would never imply that we are not paying now for mistakes with roots going back decades, if not hundreds of years in this region; on the flip side bemoaning the past's failures do not justify continuing down a less optimal path.
I suspect we're probably pretty close to the end of meaningful point and counter point. I just hope you understand that many supporters of RP (and I consider myself only 'tenative' at this point) do not see this as 'giving legitimacy to the terrorists' or saying the 'US deserved 9/11' but instead only as part of steps needed to come to more effective solutions to start on today for a better tomorrow.
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Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
Just the power they have today because of the "poor jews" and their ordeal should make anyone suspicious. They have complete diplomatic and political immunity and they run this country now.
Really? So, could you talk to your Jewish uncle about getting my out of paying taxes? I'd really appreciate it.
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...if you were saying earlier that Christians in America knew the holocaust was happening while it was happening, I'm calling bullshit.
It's well documented. We turned down repeated requests to accept Jewish refugees, and we did so fairly late in the process. We may not have known the full extent of the genocide, but we knew that some very screwed up stuff was going on.
Quote:Read some history. Read newspapers from the period. It was an active topic of discussion long before we entered the war. A fair number of Americans actively defended Hitler's regime in these discussions.
We didn't hear about the holocaust until after the war was over stateside and the movies started getting made afterwards.
It's a matter of debate how much we knew, and when, and how many of us knew it. But it's a provable fact that some people, some very vocal people, knew exactly what was going on and spoke up about it.
SergeantX
"Dream a little dream or you can live a little dream. I'd rather live it, cause dreamers always chase but never get it." Aesop Rock
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LEADB - All I should have said and maybe this will make things more clear....the Isalmo-fascist will say ANYTHING to justify what they're doing,in their God's name. This isn't about revenge or the poor of the world crying out for help, this is about religious zealotry and some who feel their god isn't getting enough attention from the rest of the world. They'll say anything to gather as many useful idiots both in and outside of their religion to use as they see fit, regardless of the truth.
"Hillary tried to get a million dollars for the Woodstock museum. I understand it was a major cultural and pharmaceutical event. I couldn't attend. I was tied up at the time." - John McCain
" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "
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Rap, I don't disagree in the least. You are hitting on what is essentially the 'propaganda' part of the war/struggle. Thanks for the discussion, it stretched my brain.
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With the noted possibility of what will happen for posting here:
British intelligence had decoded messages in 1941 detailing execution numbers of Jews across occupied territories. The allied powers certainly knew in 1942, though they were sceptical, turns out no one could believe that an industrial genocide on the scale of the holocaust was possible.
Sites such as Bergen-Belsen and Auschwitz tend to tell a different story, where the discarded belongings of the various victims can still be found.
Though what possible reason anyone could have for hoaxing the holocaust escape me, especially during and just after the war. The Nazis had committed enough attrocities, we didn't need to invent any to make us seem righteous.
More insane ramblings by the people who brought you beeeer milkshakes!
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"But taking that aside, and looking at his positions on most topics, I find myself agreeing with what he says. I just don't care for the guy, I can't explain it more."
That does not make sense.
First you say you disagree with his positions, then you admit that you did not even know what they were, then say ok you agree with a lot of them but dislike him for reasons unspecified.
Not to bust your chops, but this truly smacks of reading a hit piece or list of talking points written by an established political front with reason to fear the guy, and making your decisions based on that without even bothering to fact-check.
I sincerely hope you didn't do that, cause I really wanted your opinion, and you did not strike me as someone who prefers to let others do their thinking for them.
As for an event that happened so long ago that everyone involved is prettymuch worm food by now, other than the lesson about what can happen when decent folk do nothing - I don't see how or why the specifics of it matter now.
And now is where WE live.
Learn from the past, look towards the future, it doesn't matter if it was a hundred or a million, in the essence of the matter, so there is little point to argue it - since no one here is gonna argue that any death in such a fashion is an unforgiveable tragedy.
It's not like we can go back and fix it, but we can damned sure prevent future occurances, or at least try to.
Back on the topic of my question, I will accept the answer you gave, Rap, and not hassle you about it anymore, your mind is your own to make up and I believe in letting folk do so...
But I wish I had come away with a better understanding of precisely what makes the guy unpalatable to you, if for naught else, just to better comprehend your view and position on things.
Cause I really did wanna know.
-Frem
It cannot be said enough, those who do not learn from history, are doomed to endlessly repeat it
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