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AURAPTOR

Sunday, October 28, 2007 2:37 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by leadb:
Most welcome; someone had posted that link earlier in RWED somewhere and I had saved it.

Rap - "I guess where Ron Paul loses me is when he blames the US for al Qaeda attacking us."
I consider such statements pure rhetoric. RP advocates -understanding- the enemy, not so we can get all mushy inside with self contempt or so we can pat the terrorists on the head and tell them "it's ok", but so we can take truly corrective action. If you would cite a specific instance where you feel RP is blaming the US for al Qaeda attacking us, I'd be happy to explain the difference (or at least, why I interpret it differently than you do).

While I disagree with much of the rest of your post, it's probably simplest to work one item at a time. My guess is you will either see where I'm coming from with a specific instance to discuss, or you won't.

Might be a nit, but the 'flopping aces' URL didn't work for me. Was there something important there?

The prior flopping aces url was simply a informal pic of Ron Paul wearing a tin foil hat, sitting at a pic nic table....just a humorous pic. Where RP says we were to blame for the 9/11 attacks comes from a debate where Rudi Giuliani responds rather forcefully.

working url here: http://www.floppingaces.net/2007/05/15/ron-paul-can-go-to-hell/index.h
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But taking that aside, and looking at his positions on most topics, I find myself agreeing with what he says. I just don't care for the guy, I can't explain it more.

"Hillary tried to get a million dollars for the Woodstock museum. I understand it was a major cultural and pharmaceutical event. I couldn't attend. I was tied up at the time." - John McCain

" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "

KANEMAN

Sunday, October 28, 2007 11:42 PM

He doesn't blame us he blames our foreign policy for causing anti-American hatred in the middle east. The next day Michael scheuer(former head of CIA bin laden task force) backed RP up at a conference where RP gave Giuliani a book list to read for summer so he would be better able to debate Paul instead of going for the empty applause from kool-aid drinkers..

CNN account...

CBS account....

Actual conference....

Part2...

Part3....

Now you can see the truth...that is the head of CIA bin laden unit....or just go back to sleep, sllleeeeep, sleeeeeeeeeeep

AURAPTOR

Monday, October 29, 2007 12:07 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by kaneman:
He doesn't blame us he blames our foreign policy for causing anti-American hatred in the middle east. The next day Michael scheuer(former head of CIA bin laden task force) backed RP up at a conference where RP gave Giuliani a book list to read for summer so he would be better able to debate Paul instead of going for the empty applause from kool-aid drinkers..

CNN account...

CBS account....

Actual conference....

Part2...

Part3....

Now you can see the truth...that is the head of CIA bin laden unit....or just go back to sleep, sllleeeeep, sleeeeeeeeeeep

I know OBL's stated reasons for the attacks of 9/11, and they're bogus. There's no legitimacy there, what so ever. The day I accept his reasons is the day we can all rape any women because of the way she dresses. " Hell, she had it comin' to her! " . Sorry, no sale here.

And don't give me this crap about " the turth" . You sound like one of those 9/11 Truther zombies, or worse, a fundamentalist Christian trying to convince me of the Creation story. I'm just not buying it.

Rudi might not be my 1st choice for President, but if it comes down to it, I'll pick him over Ron Paul. At least he'll stand up for America.

"Hillary tried to get a million dollars for the Woodstock museum. I understand it was a major cultural and pharmaceutical event. I couldn't attend. I was tied up at the time." - John McCain

" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "

LEADB

Monday, October 29, 2007 2:27 AM

Just curious, did you listen to the first bit of this?

I think he explains the difference between pointing out a flaw in strategy Vs saying we invited the attack.

Let's put it in the rape example you are so fond of. Why might a rapist target a particular girl? Perhaps he does choose a target because she is wearing a long dress (hey, it takes all types). So, if a girl happens past this fellow wearing a long dress, has she invited the rape? Of course not. On the flip side, let's say an FBI team -understands- that the rapist is triggered by girls in long dresses. They might send an uncover agent through an area in a long dress to lure out the rapist and capture him.

Obviously, if the FBI had failed to understand the trigger, they might have been slower at capturing this particular rapist. The key is recognizing the problem, then putting in an effective response.

And never forget the saying 'Hold your friends close; hold your enemies closer.'

LEADB

Monday, October 29, 2007 2:28 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by kaneman:
He doesn't blame us ....

Thanks for posting that collection; it will come in handy. I've tucked it away for future reference.

AURAPTOR

Monday, October 29, 2007 3:31 AM

You're still legitimizing the terrorist's view point by acknowledging what it is he CLAIMS he doesn't like about us. We also must face the fact that Muslims don't see lying to non Muslims as any sort of a sin. So in reality, what ever OBL claims are his 'legitimate' reasons aren't worth the paper they're printed on.

"Hillary tried to get a million dollars for the Woodstock museum. I understand it was a major cultural and pharmaceutical event. I couldn't attend. I was tied up at the time." - John McCain

" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "

6IXSTRINGJACK

Monday, October 29, 2007 4:12 AM

I don't believe in the holocaust.

Sure, I believe that people died, and very likely many of them were Jews, but it was nowhere near the number they said.

Hollywood has made it much larger than life and now to say anything "anti-semite" is a career killer, politically and otherwise. The Jews have far too much power because of this. They also happen to own hollywood which is no coincidence.

Do I have anything against the Jewish people? Of course not. My uncle is Jewish and he is one of my favorite family members to bullshit with at family gatherings. All I'm saying is that they've been milking that for 60 years and they've acquired an insane amout of power, wealth and immunity in this country because of it.

I don't know Ron Paul's point of view on this. If he even though half what I think on the issue, he's smart enough to not say a damn word about it because it would end his career in a second.

"A government is a body of people, usually notably ungoverned." http://www.myspace.com/6ixstringjack

SERGEANTX

Monday, October 29, 2007 4:30 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:
You're still legitimizing the terrorist's view ...

No, he's not. Neither was Dr. Paul. Attempting to understanding the causes of war is not the same thing as legitimizing it, or justifying it. You can say why something happened without approving of it, or justifying it, or legitimizing it.

You seem to want to discount the reasons cited merely because the enemy has voiced them. I can see how this might be a concern, but these were complaints voiced for many, many years before 9/11. And it makes sense if you think about. How would you like it if the UN built military bases in your backyard. --- hold on.

Now, you no doubt noticed that I said their actions 'makes sense'. We can even understand them if we try to see the situation from their viewpoint. You'll also notice what I didn't say was that the actions were justified, or legitimate, or even sane. Sticking our heads in the sand and refusing to admit that our foreign policy failed us in regards to terrorism, that we've actively fanned the flames, will only prolong the problem.

SergeantX

"Dream a little dream or you can live a little dream. I'd rather live it, cause dreamers always chase but never get it." Aesop Rock

SERGEANTX

Monday, October 29, 2007 4:39 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
I don't know Ron Paul's point of view on this. If he even though half what I think on the issue, he's smart enough to not say a damn word about it because it would end his career in a second.

I think he's smart enough not to buy into such a jackass opinion in the first place. You should spend a day at the Holocaust Museum in D.C., it's great fun.

I'm not at all happy with our one-sided support of Israel, but I think has more to do with Christian guilt over that fact that we refused to take Jewish refugees even as we saw the Holocaust happening. Regardless, pretending the Holocaust didn't happen, or saying you don't believe in it, puts you squarely in the flat-earther, lunar-faking, 9/11 truther, tin-foil hat crowd. Please don't drag Ron Paul in with you.

SergeantX

"Dream a little dream or you can live a little dream. I'd rather live it, cause dreamers always chase but never get it." Aesop Rock

6IXSTRINGJACK

Monday, October 29, 2007 5:16 AM

I'm not dragging anyone with me. But there is no possible way that the Holocaust happened as the textbooks and Hollywood would have us believe. As I said before, I believe that there were people who died, many of them Jews, but not the millions of people who we've heard about for the last 60 years. How come nobody knew about it at the time? Why did we hear about it so much after the fact?

Just the power they have today because of the "poor jews" and their ordeal should make anyone suspicious. They have complete diplomatic and political immunity and they run this country now. That is why I don't believe that it happened. Read Pat Buchannon's newest book. He talks about it in there. Of course, he's smart enough not to say anything about the holocaust one way or the other and I have no idea what his beliefs are, but he mentions the neo-con / Jewish alliance and how it's political suicide to even utter a single phrase which might somehow be twisted around and bastardized into meaning something anti-semitic, when it could just have been Constitutional and benign.

EDIT: And if you were saying earlier that Christians in America knew the holocaust was happening while it was happening, I'm calling bullshit. We didn't hear about the holocaust until after the war was over stateside and the movies started getting made afterwards. There are no Christians in America who feel any guilt about not doing something about something they knew nothing about at the time that may or may not have happened the way that history and hollywood dictate.

"A government is a body of people, usually notably ungoverned." http://www.myspace.com/6ixstringjack

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