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AURAPTOR

Saturday, October 27, 2007 1:11 AM

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Originally posted by Fremdfirma:
Amusing that this might be, a flamewar at dawn with loaded feather pillows and all that...

Seriously Rap - what's your issues then ?

Not bashin, seriously asking what, specifically, makes the guy unpalatable to ya.

-F

I agree we should abolish the IRS, and replace it with the Fair Tax.

I'm for controling ( not closing ) the borders of our country, but not against tracking terrorist from outside and who they contact.

Just so you know...

I voted for Pat Buchanan in the '92 primary.

I voted for the late Harry Browne in the 2000 primary.

I don't trust Ron Paul. He speaks a good game, but only some of the time. He's completly off his nut in other situations. I don't care for him being so closely associated w/ folks who deny the Holocaust. He seems blind to the Islamo-fascist threat to our nation and the world.

I do not take Ron Paul seriously as a candidate. Nor will I - ever.

" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "

AURAPTOR

Saturday, October 27, 2007 1:13 AM

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Originally posted by kaneman:
Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:
why the f*ck am I being dragged into this ? Granted, some of what Ron Paul says is spot on, but he's got too much tainted meat in his stew for me to try. No thank you.

" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "

Because you spout neo-con crap around here since forever, You are the enemy now.....RP isn't running in the Dem primaries. The anti Hillary videos will come then.....Thin skin?

What 'neo con' crap have I ever spouted ? Please inform.

Thanx.

" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "

FREMDFIRMA

Saturday, October 27, 2007 3:29 PM

That's pretty vague Rap, if you'd care to share, I would be interested in the specifics.

Not tryin to hang you out to dry or nothin, I just really do wanna know where you part ways with him, is all.

As for talkin a good game, far as I know, he's always put his money where his mouth is when it comes to the vote - that comforts me a lot, on his credibility.

-F

AURAPTOR

Saturday, October 27, 2007 4:26 PM

Where can I find an objective list of Ron Paul's position on the various topics ? I know there's a site or 2 out there, I'm just not finding it. I'd prefer something OTHER than his home page, or one promoting only Ron Paul.

I'll get back to ya after I've done a full search on his views. Thanks.

"Hillary tried to get a million dollars for the Woodstock museum. I understand it was a major cultural and pharmaceutical event. I couldn't attend. I was tied up at the time." - John McCain

" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "

LEADB

Saturday, October 27, 2007 7:23 PM

You could try here:
http://www.selectsmart.com/president/2008/comparethem.html

SERGEANTX

Saturday, October 27, 2007 10:19 PM

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
Where can I find an objective list of Ron Paul's position on the various topics ? I know there's a site or 2 out there, I'm just not finding it....

Yeah... I feel your pain man. These days it's tough to find any information on candidates. First you have to spell their name right in the google seach box. Then you to click on a page link on the results page. Then you have to actually read the page! Geez... all those words.

SergeantX

"Dream a little dream or you can live a little dream. I'd rather live it, cause dreamers always chase but never get it." Aesop Rock

AURAPTOR

Sunday, October 28, 2007 10:59 AM

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Originally posted by SergeantX:
Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:
Where can I find an objective list of Ron Paul's position on the various topics ? I know there's a site or 2 out there, I'm just not finding it....

Yeah... I feel your pain man. These days it's tough to find any information on candidates. First you have to spell their name right in the google seach box. Then you to click on a page link on the results page. Then you have to actually read the page! Geez... all those words.

SergeantX

Hey smartass, I did exactly that, and all I got was Ron Paul blog pages and pro Ron Paul sites. Not what I was looking for, pin head, so not very helpful. Try not being a total prick in EVERY post you make, and once in a while try being human.

"Hillary tried to get a million dollars for the Woodstock museum. I understand it was a major cultural and pharmaceutical event. I couldn't attend. I was tied up at the time." - John McCain

" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "

AURAPTOR

Sunday, October 28, 2007 11:30 AM

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Originally posted by leadb:
You could try here:
http://www.selectsmart.com/president/2008/comparethem.html

Thanks LEADB. I was trying to recall this site as I had heard of it before. Very helpful.

I guess where Ron Paul loses me is when he blames the US for al Qaeda attacking us. I'm sorry, but I can't support any one for President who doesn't stand up for America. Admitting our flaws is one thing, but justifying the unjustifiable attacks of 9/11 is beyond the pale.

Same goes for the war in Iraq. You can disagree that we needed to go in, fine. But to cut and run and let everything we've done unravel over there, while BLAMING us at every step, is unconscionable. Again, not one I want leading our troops, or our country.

"Hillary tried to get a million dollars for the Woodstock museum. I understand it was a major cultural and pharmaceutical event. I couldn't attend. I was tied up at the time." - John McCain

" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "

LEADB

Sunday, October 28, 2007 12:32 PM

Most welcome; someone had posted that link earlier in RWED somewhere and I had saved it.

Rap - "I guess where Ron Paul loses me is when he blames the US for al Qaeda attacking us."
I consider such statements pure rhetoric. RP advocates -understanding- the enemy, not so we can get all mushy inside with self contempt or so we can pat the terrorists on the head and tell them "it's ok", but so we can take truly corrective action. If you would cite a specific instance where you feel RP is blaming the US for al Qaeda attacking us, I'd be happy to explain the difference (or at least, why I interpret it differently than you do).

While I disagree with much of the rest of your post, it's probably simplest to work one item at a time. My guess is you will either see where I'm coming from with a specific instance to discuss, or you won't.

Might be a nit, but the 'flopping aces' URL didn't work for me. Was there something important there?

SERGEANTX

Sunday, October 28, 2007 1:24 PM

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
Try not being a total prick ...

I've tried. I really have. I dunno.... It just doesn't work for me, you know? You'll just have to love me for who I am.

Quote:
Originally posted by leadb:
Rap - "I guess where Ron Paul loses me is when he blames the US for al Qaeda attacking us."
I consider such statements pure rhetoric.

The word you're looking for is "demagoguery". The statement is designed to appeal to two types of people. First, the simpleton, who easily conflates terms like "blame" with any observation of a causal relationship. And second, the morally insecure, who can see no purpose for understanding underlying causes - other than to assign "blame".

SergeantX

"Dream a little dream or you can live a little dream. I'd rather live it, cause dreamers always chase but never get it." Aesop Rock

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