Characterising Kaylee
POSTED BY: nbz
UPDATED: Saturday, October 27, 2007 00:51
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Kaylee definitely does kill (Reavers pop out of a high window pane on the left side if I remember correctly).
When watching the scene again to see if Simon does, I fell asleep. 
I do have it on good authority though that he too does kill Reavers in that fight.
(because I asked the same question on stillflying.net.)
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LOL! yeh i just cued it (the scene) up to check - and you're right!:)
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Hmm, I just watched all the fight scenes, and you only see a very short shot of Simon holding a gun. Kaylee does hit a Reaver, but considering the angle he's at and the angle she fires at, and that that battle is rather hectic, it's hard to tell anything for sure. Considering Kaylee's non-existant proficiency with a gun, I'll go with "she was lucky to actually hit one", and still hold that she hasn't killed anyone yet.
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aw crap. i'll go check again!:)
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xie xie to wytchcroft for showing me this thread! *mudders milk toast* so shiny! I've just spent an hour reading all of the posts and I have to say: I am very much impressed that I can't thnink of any to add right now. Heehee. Lemme mull it over some and then it'll come to me.^^ But for the moment, here's a mudders milk toast to a great discussion! *cheers!*
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I could not read this whole thread, maybe later. Sorry, I find it preposterous to assume these things about Kaylee.
Her interest in Companions are based upon her view of "LOVE" and all that - I think she has something of a fairytale hope for the existance of love, much like many women have.
The insults she endures are mostly based upon the conflicting stereotypes of "mechanic" and "hottie" or "woman". Other insults, like from Jayne in Pilot are about her hitting on Simon, but also based upon the conflicting stereotypes.
Engines and such make her hot, yet she would not commit to being crew until getting permission from her parents (whether or not they exist, you cynics).
She wants Simon because she needs sex (working around the engine room all day), and Mal and Jayne don't seem available (Mal) or suitably respectful (Jayne). Although I've wondered about Wash, being that they alone stay with the getaway craft while the others go to do theiving and such. Even if she seduced Wash, it wouldn't be due to ambition. Simple sex and torch carrying are all her interest in roping in Simon.
Her scene with Jubal was about the implied threat of sexual depravities, not ambition.
I can't imagine your suppositions.
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Originally posted by jewelstaitefan:
I could not read this whole thread, maybe later. Sorry, I find it preposterous to assume these things about Kaylee.
Her interest in Companions are based upon her view of "LOVE" and all that - I think she has something of a fairytale hope for the existance of love, much like many women have.
The insults she endures are mostly based upon the conflicting stereotypes of "mechanic" and "hottie" or "woman". Other insults, like from Jayne in Pilot are about her hitting on Simon, but also based upon the conflicting stereotypes.
Engines and such make her hot, yet she would not commit to being crew until getting permission from her parents (whether or not they exist, you cynics).
She wants Simon because she needs sex (working around the engine room all day), and Mal and Jayne don't seem available (Mal) or suitably respectful (Jayne). Although I've wondered about Wash, being that they alone stay with the getaway craft while the others go to do theiving and such. Even if she seduced Wash, it wouldn't be due to ambition. Simple sex and torch carrying are all her interest in roping in Simon.
Her scene with Jubal was about the implied threat of sexual depravities, not ambition.
I can't imagine your suppositions.
But look at the insults she perceives to come from Simon and the one she gets from Mal. They are all about status.
He insults Serenity because he's frustrated with his entire situation, and all she focuses on is that he feels himself above the ship.
Mal says she'd look like a sheep on its hind legs in a pretty dress, and she's completely mortified.
Simon says he "would never.. not with Kaylee" in Jaynestown and she doesn't even attempt to look at the situation. All she sees is a rejection of herself as not good enough.
Simon says she's the only girl on the ship and she's immediately angry at being titled "not special enough".
All those imply a "not enough". Kaylee has lots of status anxiety, which is tied to a certain amount of ambition, because if she had none, she would not care to get angry.
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uh, seriously guys... have you talked to women lately? Have you ever met a woman who did not feel insulted when you implied that she's not pretty or special?
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He insults Serenity because he's frustrated with his entire situation, and all she focuses on is that he feels himself above the ship.
actually, didn't she say that if Simon thought that it was such a crappy life at the ass-end of the verse, then he couldn't well respect those who chose it? (or something like that) So she thinks that Simon is implying that their life is not 'special' out in the rim. I don't think it was about Kaylee's attachment to the ship. I think it was about them, their crew as a whole. Simon practically insulted her friends. I think Simon was lucky not to have been talking to Zoe at that time because he surely would have been slugged. (or not, Zoe kinda boils inside)
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Mal says she'd look like a sheep on its hind legs in a pretty dress, and she's completely mortified.
ever tried telling that to a girlfriend/sister/daughter/wife? it's not kaylee overreacting; it's kaylee reacting as a woman. not all women are vain, sure. but here is someone who is stuck in an otherwise man's job, covered in engine grease all day, and the moment she dreams of owning a pretty dress her insensitive polyp of a captain tells her she'd look ridiculous in it. Try telling that to any woman and let's see if you don't get the look as well. Regardless of ambition, manipulation, or whatever, if you insult a woman's femininity, you're soooo in trouble.
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Simon says he "would never.. not with Kaylee" in Jaynestown and she doesn't even attempt to look at the situation. All she sees is a rejection of herself as not good enough.
Simon says she's the only girl on the ship and she's immediately angry at being titled "not special enough".
Huh. Everyone knows that being tagged as the last person in the world to be with is insulting. And to say that to someone who's nothing but be nice to you (and you know has been harboring a crush on you. how dense do you have to be to pick up on that?) is really uncalled for. Some women would find Simon's fumbling attempts at compliments cute, but then, Kaylee is a bit less experienced than them. I agree with a poster earlier when he said that kaylee has preconceived notions about people and when they don't conform to those notions, she gets pissed. IMO for Kaylee, Simon is from the Core worlds, where people are civilized and smooth-talking. Hence, it's either he intended to insult her, or he truly is an alien.
About Jaynestown, if someone told you that they'll never do it with you, won't that piss you off? Even if that someone is a person you'd don't even like, and he tells you "nuh-uh. ew!", you are liable to give him a fist to the mouth. (or settle for a well-pronounced Liou coe shway duh biao-tze huh huong-tze fuh ur-tze. depends on the girl's violence tendency).
Again, she took it personally because gentlemen aren't supposed to do that and Simon is supposed to be a gentleman. I know it was not what Simon meant and Kaylee should understand that, but Kaylee is not exactly understanding when it comes to insults. I think it's one thing she can't find the sunny side of. Again, not because she's ambitious, but more like because she cannot take it when someone says something mean to another person (ie, Banning from Shindig, the Alliance officer from Bushwacked).
To tell the truth, I admire Kaylee for being able to show that these statements hurt her. I don't agree that Kaylee is ambitious (though NBZ did have very swaying arguments!). She wouldn't have been pissed at Simon in Safe if that were the case (because if she was ambitious, she'd be agreeing with him). I think she content with where she was, happy that she's doing work where her talents are appreciated (and waaaay useful than it would have been on that rock-planet), happy that she's surrounded by people she liked and admired. IMO her attraction to Simon is not only because she needed sex (er hello twixting
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