This Seems Strangely Orwellian to Me

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AURAPTOR

Tuesday, July 17, 2007 7:23 PM

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Originally posted by SignyM:
Just in time for the 2008 elections....
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WASHINGTON (CNN) -- Al Qaeda will try to tap its allies and resources in Iraq in its efforts to exact another terrorist attack on U.S. soil, according to a top government intelligence report released Tuesday. Officials have expressed concern in the past that the Iraq war is providing a theater for al Qaeda to train insurgents and test the terror network's capabilities.

"In addition, we assess that its association with [al Qaeda in Iraq] helps al Qaeda to energize the broader Sunni extremist community, raise resources and to recruit and indoctrinate operatives, including for homeland attacks," said the declassified summary of the National Intelligence Estimate.
Whatever happened to "fighting them there so we don't have to fight them here?"

Bush: running a nation on twin rails of fear.

Bush is responding to a threat which others ignored for too long. One of the few good things he HAS done.

People love a happy ending. So every episode, I will explain once again that I don't like people. And then Mal will shoot someone. Someone we like. And their puppy. - Joss

" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "

MAL4PREZ

Tuesday, July 17, 2007 7:27 PM

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Originally posted by Fremdfirma:
Re: Boiling Frogs.

The problem these days is incompetence.
Someone got a little too free with the heat and right now a substantial percentage of the frogs are jumping around the kitchen makin all amount of racket.

It's not even that their evil rapacious bastards, it's that they're so BAD at it, that I find the most offensive.

-F

Yeah, I find that more scary than offensive. It wasn't `till a few months back I began to suspect the true depth of this administration's incompetence. Really, it goes beyond anything I imagined. I always knew they had an evil plan, so to speak, (as in - a plan I disagreed with, flame me all you want!) but I never thought that they'd fail so utterly at it. I had underestimated the severity of Dubya's denial and delusion. I truly think the guy is certifiable.

Thing is, I'm not at all happy to see him go down. It's frightening how much of the world and of our personal freedoms he's dragging down with him.

But then, as you say, he's created an awful lot of pissed-off frogs. That's not necessarily bad. Maybe some fixes will get made to a system that needs it. The founding fathers thread makes it clear that this mess didn't start with George and Dick, they just took it way too far...

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MAL4PREZ

Tuesday, July 17, 2007 7:34 PM

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Originally posted by Fletch2:
First, there is an understandable preference to work with known parties and people whose reputation for "getting the job done" is well known. There would likely be a lot of eyes on the project and you wouldn't want to screw up in public.

Yeah, as someone who's seen a bit of the system from the inside, I'm with Rue on this. What a joke.

And can I just stress... *No bid* contracts for Halliburton, and mercenary companies that have been formed by buddies of Cheney and company just within the past 7-8 years. Hmm.

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RUE

Tuesday, July 17, 2007 7:39 PM

As to the original topic of the thread - I do remember the story. It isn't a retro-plant. But it was quickly drowned out by the Bush administration AND the compliant media.

You may remember the sequence -
Bush claims it's bin Laden - he says they have information that can't be shared with the public.
Bin Laden issues a denial.
Bush escalates his agenda on a daily basis -
* bin Laden brought to justice
* bin Laden dead or alive
* bin Laden and al Qaeda's top leaders
* bin Laden and al Qaeda's top leaders and their supporters Mullah Omar and the Taliban
* the undefined and never-ending GWOT
- any goup of people Bush considers "ter'rists" and any country in the world.
* anyone who disagrees with Bush in any way "You're either with us or you're with the terrorists
Bush demands Afghanistan immediately turn bin Laden over to the US.
Afghanistan says they'll be happy to, but they want to turn him over to the ICC.
Bush attacks Afghanistan to get bin Laden.
The Taliban falls, and Bush immediately forgets bin Laden turns his attention to Iraq.

During the next 20 months or so the US makes a big show of searching for 'proof' it was bin Laden (as I recall correctly, the US said it searched the equivalent of 20 boxcars full of papers, transcripts and videos.)

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So, if Bush had 'proof' - why not let Afghanistan turn bin Laden over to the ICC? Put the proof out in the court so that everyone can see that justice WAS done. And if Bush had 'proof- why did the US have to scour Afghanistan for the faintest trace of evidence ? And if it WAS bin Laden - why let him go ?

"I don't know where bin Laden is and I don't care. To tell you the truth, I don't think much about him."

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SERGEANTX

Tuesday, July 17, 2007 7:48 PM

SergeantX

"Dream a little dream or you can live a little dream. I'd rather live it, cause dreamers always chase but never get it." Aesop Rock

SIGNYM

Tuesday, July 17, 2007 7:53 PM

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Bush is responding to a threat which others ignored for too long. One of the few good things he HAS done.

Bush's response was and continues to be so dysfunctional as to be counterproductive. So we were attacked by terrorists from Saudi Arabia and we attack IRAQ? Meanwhile, back in oblivious-land, first responders STILL don't have a common frequency for multi-agency response.

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RUE

Tuesday, July 17, 2007 7:55 PM

Rap

"Guess you forget his Fatwah, issued back in '98, huh? Well, so many here can't even remember back to 9/11/01, I shouldn't expect much"

I'd be happy to consider it. Got a link or searchable quote for that ? (Though I have to say that claiming a fatwah - which is a position - as proof is laughable.)

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CHRISISALL

Tuesday, July 17, 2007 8:24 PM

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Originally posted by AURaptor:

Bush is responding to a threat which others ignored for too long. One of the few good things he HAS done.

BWAHAHAHAHAHA *TAKES BREATH, CLEANS SODA OFF COMPUTER SCREEN*
BWBBBBAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!

Uh..heh heh , you 're killin' me AU!! heh

Wiping the tears of laughter Chrisisall

FLETCH2

Tuesday, July 17, 2007 10:01 PM

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Originally posted by rue:

HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA Ha ha ha ha ha ... As long as "the job" is putting money in your pocket and the pockets of your friends. As much and as quickly as possible with as little actual investment of time and materials as possible ...

Well, they tried the "give Paul Bremmer a few palettes of $100 bills and see what happens" method, and that apparently didn't work.

http://www.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/meast/01/30/iraq.audit/index.html

After that having someone you could audit sounded like a good idea..............

You can't make stuff like this up, it's too bizarre.....

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/6316057.stm

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/4266231.stm

6IXSTRINGJACK

Wednesday, July 18, 2007 1:06 AM

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Originally posted by mal4prez:
The founding fathers thread makes it clear that this mess didn't start with George and Dick, they just took it way too far...

So did Billy Joel:

We Didn’t Start The Fire
Storm Front Released: 1989

Harry Truman, Doris Day, Red China, Johnny Ray
South Pacific, Walter Winchell, Joe DiMaggio

Joe McCarthy, Richard Nixon, Studebaker, Television
North Korea, South Korea, Marilyn Monroe

Rosenbergs, H Bomb, Sugar Ray, Panmunjom
Brando, The King And I, and The Catcher In The Rye

Eisenhower, Vaccine, England's got a new queen
Maciano, Liberace, Santayana goodbye

We didn't start the fire
It was always burning
Since the world's been turning
We didn't start the fire
No we didn't light it
But we tried to fight it

Joseph Stalin, Malenkov, Nasser and Prokofiev
Rockefeller, Campanella, Communist Bloc

Roy Cohn, Juan Peron, Toscanini, Dancron
Dien Bien Phu Falls, Rock Around the Clock

Einstein, James Dean, Brooklyn's got a winning team
Davy Crockett, Peter Pan, Elvis Presley, Disneyland

Bardot, Budapest, Alabama, Khrushchev
Princess Grace, Peyton Place, Trouble in the Suez

We didn't start the fire
It was always burning
Since the world's been turning
We didn't start the fire
No we didn't light it
But we tried to fight it

Little Rock, Pasternak, Mickey Mantle, Kerouac
Sputnik, Chou En-Lai, Bridge On The River Kwai

Lebanon, Charles de Gaulle, California baseball
Starkwether, Homicide, Children of Thalidomide
Buddy Holly, Ben Hur, Space Monkey, Mafia
Hula Hoops, Castro, Edsel is a no-go

U2, Syngman Rhee, payola and Kennedy
Chubby Checker, Psycho, Belgians in the Congo

We didn't start the fire
It was always burning
Since the world's been turning
We didn't start the fire
No we didn't light it
But we tried to fight it

Hemingway, Eichman, Stranger in a Strange Land
Dylan, Berlin, Bay of Pigs invasion

Lawrence of Arabia, British Beatlemania
Ole Miss, John Glenn, Liston beats Patterson

Pope Paul, Malcolm X, British Politician sex
J.F.K. blown away, what else do I have to say

We didn't start the fire
It was always burning
Since the world's been turning
We didn't start the fire
No we didn't light it
But we tried to fight it

Birth control, Ho Chi Minh, Richard Nixon back again
Moonshot, Woodstock, Watergate, punk rock
Begin, Reagan, Palestine, Terror on the airline
Ayatollah's in Iran, Russians in Afghanistan

Wheel of Fortune, Sally Ride, heavy metal, suicide
Foreign debts, homeless Vets, AIDS, Crack, Bernie Goetz
Hypodermics on the shores, China's under martial law
Rock and Roller cola wars, I can't take it anymore

We didn't start the fire
It was always burning
Since the world's been turning
We didn't start the fire
No we didn't light it
But we tried to fight it

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