This Seems Strangely Orwellian to Me

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6IXSTRINGJACK

Saturday, July 14, 2007 3:11 AM

http://archives.cnn.com/2001/US/09/16/inv.binladen.denial/

I don't get it....

Trust me... I'm the first person in here who will admit that i believe every word of that story more than any explanation the Administration has given us over the years for any of their actions, but still..... Where was this article when it was supposedly written in September on 2001? I don't remember this side of the story at all. All I remember on ALL news channels and in the papers is that the Taliban and Osama not only admitted their involvement in the attacks, but they were proud of them.

Just thought it was funny that this popped up as front page news on Digg.com today now that a reported 71% of the Nation doesn't approve of the Administration.

An example of history rewriting itself?

(BTW... Welcome to all the new members of the 71% majority, to the Bush hate train that I've been riding for the last 6 years.)

"A government is a body of people, usually notably ungoverned." http://www.myspace.com/6ixstringjack

FREMDFIRMA

Saturday, July 14, 2007 4:50 AM

Dude, Osama's dead - he's been dead since approx December 2001 of kidney failure.

The current admin is using him as a modern day emmanuel goldstein, so they're unwilling to admit it.

And yes, he did deny any involvement, and I did point that out, only to be shouted down by resident apologists.

Most of the tapes have been either fairly blatant fakes (I just can't see Osama puttin on a gold band and using grecian formula..) or translated by MEMRI, who have their own agenda, as witnessed with such bullshit as the recent "wiped off the map" shoveljob concerning statements by the Iranian Prez.

That all bein said, I wouldn't buy anythin Osama's sellin either, cause he's generally as fulla shit as our own leaders - the denial rings true tho, cause he'd sure as HELL be takin credit for it if he did it, cause that was his nature.

-Frem

It cannot be said enough, those who do not learn from history, are doomed to endlessly repeat it

SERGEANTX

Saturday, July 14, 2007 5:54 AM

Sorry guys, I gotta call bullshit on this one. I was paying attention to this stuff when it came out. If anything it seems like a sick joke on his part. "They must have done it for 'personal' reasons".?? To me it wasn't a denial that was meant to be believed in the first place. Seriously, there's too much crap going on out in the open to be chasing down stuff like this.

SergeantX

"Dream a little dream or you can live a little dream. I'd rather live it, cause dreamers always chase but never get it." Aesop Rock

6IXSTRINGJACK

Saturday, July 14, 2007 6:45 AM

I didn't chase it down though. It was posted on Digg.com frontpage where there is so much Bush hatered out there that they're pulling all the stops.

I fracking hate the man too, but anything I ever read or heard about this after the fact was THEY DID IT AND THEY'RE PROUD! There's plenty of stuff to hate on Bush for. I don't have to go diggin anywhere.

I don't think I was clear on my point here. I'm not arguing anything either of you guys had to say here at all. My only point was that this is legitemetely in the CNN "archives" right now, and I'm not at all confident that this article was ever really put out in the first place. It certainly was a viewpoint that got zero spotlight if it really was printed.

The whole thing just reminded me of something Winston would have written today at the Ministry of Truth is all.

EDIT: The fact that it's against Bush is all the more scary to me.......

Most folk been blaming his administration for all of the lies and woes and corruption in our government today. Wonder how many stories like these they can get away with before the sheep wake up and relize that the Demons are just as capable and good at deception.

"A government is a body of people, usually notably ungoverned." http://www.myspace.com/6ixstringjack

FLETCH2

Saturday, July 14, 2007 7:36 AM

Bin Laden isn't Professor Moriarty. Despite the way that the US media likes to paint him he was not some kind of criminal genius, running by direct command some James-Bondian evil empire. In fact most folks that have studied him (including Ron Paul from the quotes posted here) understand that the biggest thing he brings to Al Q is not tactical planning but charismatic leadership.

Consequently I think 9/11 probably went 1000 times better than he could have ever dreamed of. Instead of the large loss of life they expected the result was a massive deathtoll, instead of damaged buildings they were destroyed. I think the result scared even him.

Scared him not because he thought we would be mad at him, the American response would have probably been of the same order had the hijackings failed, no such a massive loss of life risked a backlash from others in the middle east that would otherwise have given him support. If it looked like the Arab street, was appauled by the carnage in New York, if Arab governments and media had reacted violently against it, bin Laden's organisation could have been in trouble.

In short it is possible to be too successfull.

So, in the days after the attack he was uncommital wanting to see how the news played out in his back yard. If the people cheering in the streets were the clear majority then he would admit the attack early, if the backlash happened they would say nothing. In the interim he played wait and see.

We've seen similar things in Northern Ireland. If the attack was relatively small or if most of the damage centered against things the IRA viewed as legitimate targets the boys tended to be quick to claim responsability. However, if things went too well, if the death toll was too large or many children were injured we could go for days without anyone officially admitting responsability.

After 9/11 the folks that supported Bin Laden danced in the streets and were happy to give him credit even without his official say so. However, a lot of the Arab street, the kinds of folks that would be appauled by the carnage simply refused to believe Muslims were responsable, believing the US did it themselves or that it was Mossad. Bin Laden was happy with that status quo.

6IXSTRINGJACK

Monday, July 16, 2007 8:28 AM

Very interesting thought, about how he could have been TOO successful. Seems very plausable...

Did you see this story, or similar stories like this in September or November of 2001 though? I didn't. Everything I ever read or heard about this is that Al Queda admitted to this, and Bin Laden was the proud leader of the organization which brought 911 to us.

Was it only me, or did Bin Laden look just like Scottie Pippen from the Chicago Bulls back in the Bulls "Dynasty" days? I always thought they just took pics of Scottie and gave them the Photoshop treatment.

Here's a post I made about it on my blog about two years ago.....

I Know Where Bin Laden Is Hiding

More accurately, it should be said that, believe it or not, Osama isn't even a real person. Insider images acquired earlier today show exactly how the war on terror had begun, with the use of Adobe Photoshop in the basement of Annette Peterson's, a widow from the small town of Deary, Idaho. For years she thought her son wouldn't amount to anything. "He never goes anywhere, he doesn't have any friends.... He's 29 years old and I still do his laundry. All he does all day is play that damn Nintendo or sit in front of that computer screen all day long," said an obdviously frusterated mother of yet another lazy Generation Xer who she says can bareley wipe his own ass whithout complaining that the entire act of wiping ones ass is a conspiracy planned by Charmin to have a never ending stream of consumers to buy their products that we simply throw away after one use. "I never thought he'd amount to anything, but look at my boy now... The Father of the War on Terror. I'm so proud." Tears of joy flooded down her face at the revelation that it was indeed her boy who had created the pictures we've seen for years in newspapers and magazines. Using the popular photo manipulation softare Photoshop from Adobe, Antony Peterson was able to make these horiffic images come to life using nothing but his mouse pointer and some pictures of Scottie Pippen from the Chicago Bulls Dynasty. [see inset]

An example of Antony Peterson's (The Father of the War on Terror) work.

Calls from Scottie Pippen on the revelation were unanswered as we were told that Scottie was out of the office, continuing is neverending quest to prove that the Bulls would have been just as great all those years even if he wasn't living in Michael Jordan's shadow.

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MAL4PREZ

Monday, July 16, 2007 2:12 PM

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Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
Did you see this story, or similar stories like this in September or November of 2001 though?

I did. I remember hearing that Bin Laden had denied responsibily, and I remember talk of the calls from the plane that went down in PA which made the official story a bit suspect. Not that I was or am ready to buy in to that, but the discussions were dismissed and ignored by our country's mob mentality. Nothing would heard but the official line, and nothing could be done but bloody revenge.

Gotta say, I never bought in to W. In 2000, I tried to think positive and hope he'd do minimal damage. The fact that so many sheep continued to support him and voted for him in 2004 proves one thing - we deserve him. As a country, we're sooo stupid.

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6IXSTRINGJACK

Monday, July 16, 2007 3:04 PM

Mal...

I wish I could say the same, my friend. I supported bush much longer than I should have. But as soon as we were invading Iraq, I started having visions of the reason we left Sadam alive the first time is so we'd have a familiar enemy to hunt down this time. He was practically Wily Coyote at this point. Probably more well known, worldwide, at the time. Such an easy target. I have my deepley seeded reasons why we're really over there, but none of them have ever been said on the news, let alone much amongst the proles. Most of the Proletariat choose to side with the Demons as a way of protesting where we're at today which is an understandable mistake, but a mistake nonetheless. If we have a Hilary or Obama in office, we're completley f..... considering they own the other two seats.

I honestly think, our only choice at this point is Ron Paul. He's the only rational voice of freedom our Government has heard for a long time. The soccer moms and everybody on welfare (especially illegals) are never going to go for it though. I'm afraid that it can only get worse.... Demons are no solution to the NeoCon problem. In the end, they both have the same agenda, just a different means to get there.

"A government is a body of people, usually notably ungoverned." http://www.myspace.com/6ixstringjack

SIGNYM

Monday, July 16, 2007 3:34 PM

Rue rather persistently says the whole ObL+ 9-11 link was pretty fishy. Something about papers conveniently found in a (Tora Bora?) cave years after the Admin had announced that ObL was the perp. In fact, I recall ObL saying that al Qaida celebrated the attack, was glad it happened, but didn't plan it. If you really want to find out who did it, follow the money.

Oh yeah, BTW- Our whole government and media are Orwellian. I keep telling folks that you don't find out what's happening by watching the news, you pay attention to the silence between the parts that are blared out for mass consumption. You watch the timing and the disappearance of "news" items. Just like in "V". For example,... what is the meaning of the joint Russia-Chinese military exercises http://www.worldpress.org/Asia/2138.cfms especially considering that Russia just suspended the Conventional Forces in Europe (CFE) treaty? http://www.reuters.com/article/worldNews/idUSL1674174120070716

The "news" is just a dumb-show for the dummies.
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MAL4PREZ

Monday, July 16, 2007 4:10 PM

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Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
I have my deepley seeded reasons why we're really over there, but none of them have ever been said on the news, let alone much amongst the proles.

Did you note that the first thing the troops upon entering Iraq was not to rush to the proposed WMD sites, but to secure the oil rigs and refineries? Kind'a telling, I must say.

And here's another gripe: don't you think that the whole situation over there would now be more secure, the locals happier with the west, the infrastructure actually improved over Saddam's days, and the rush to continue the jihad less popular, if we had given reconstruction contracts to local Iraqi companies instead of handing huge no-bid, no-questions-asked contracts to Halliburton and their ilk? Maybe we could have let the Iraqis run their own country, and profit off their own resources?

But, no. This war is, and always has been, a cash cow for the exact companies that I would have predicted in 2000. I remember an article in the Boston Globe before that election that said that Cheney represented all that is evil about corporate America, and pointed straight to Halliburton. And now these bastards are running a war. Go figure.

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I honestly think, our only choice at this point is Ron Paul. He's the only rational voice of freedom our Government has heard for a long time.

Very possibly, but like you I doubt it'll happen. Stupid Americans. Things aren't bad for us, really. So why bother changing?

The founding fathers thread is great, but also quite scary. You know what they say about a frog in hot water? You drop a frog in boiling water, it jumps out. You put a frog in cool water and gradually warm it up, it'll cook to death. I read that thread and started thinking, wow this water is hot...

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