Buffy season six: Admit it peeps, a woman taking sexual control threatens you, doesn't it?
POSTED BY: chrisisall
UPDATED: Tuesday, August 7, 2007 23:28
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Quote:Her control is of her emotions, to feel SOMETHING outside herself- for which she is indulging in the Spikester. The way some would drink to ease a loss.
Originally posted by Zeek:
Those aren't in any way considered control to me.
Dats all Chrisisall
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I quite enjoyed the Buffy/Spike dynamic. I believe that Buffy could have stopped it at ANY time but she liked it. It was dirty, she felt guilty but...she enjoyed it. The fact that she did enjoy it made it "dirty" to her. There is nothing wrong with a little rough sex. Or a lot in their case.
The whole "Seeing Red" thing. You have to look at Buffy and Spikes overall relationship. She ALWAYS said no, he always insisted and prevailed. Eventually she would give in. However in this scene Spike kept pushing. Buffy did say no but given their history he felt he should keep going and she would eventually give in. That wasn't the case this time. I was able to talk with Jane Espenson about this scene over the CSTS weekend and she told me that it didn't "turn out" quite like the writing team wanted. She said Spike was meant to feel instantly regretful about it but it didn't come across that way on the screen.
All in all, I like season six. I like Buffy and Spike. I truly believe deep down inside she did love him.
"it's always complicated and at some point someone has to draw the line and that is always going to be me. you get down on me for cutting myself off but in the end the slayer is always cut off. there's no mystical guide book, no all knowing council, human rules don't apply. there's only me....i am the law" -Buffy the Vampire Slayer
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Buffy can control me sexually whenever she wants to, got no problem with that. 
Everyone dies alone.
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Originally posted by chrisisall:
Physically, she was always 100% in control, emotionally, not so much. She started it, only to feel swept away, to feel SOMETHING.
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Originally posted by chrisisall:
Her control is of her emotions, to feel SOMETHING outside herself- for which she is indulging in the Spikester. The way some would drink to ease a loss.
huh?
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Quote:You know, like, if you drove your car off a cliff, you'd be in control of the car initially, and the decision to go off the cliff, but once you're in the air the control's gone?
Originally posted by Zeek:Quote:
Originally posted by chrisisall:
Physically, she was always 100% in control, emotionally, not so much. She started it, only to feel swept away, to feel SOMETHING.Quote:
Originally posted by chrisisall:
Her control is of her emotions, to feel SOMETHING outside herself- for which she is indulging in the Spikester. The way some would drink to ease a loss.
huh?
Y'know?
WHAT AM I, THE GORRAM PRESIDENT HERE? Am I being cross-examined for inconsistancies in my testimony???
I did not have sexual relations with that woman, Miss Summers!
C'mon, you know what I'm trying to say here....
The sometimes imprecise Chrisisall
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Originally posted by DeathIsMyGift:
I quite enjoyed the Buffy/Spike dynamic. I believe that Buffy could have stopped it at ANY time but she liked it. It was dirty, she felt guilty but...she enjoyed it. The fact that she did enjoy it made it "dirty" to her. There is nothing wrong with a little rough sex. Or a lot in their case.
The whole "Seeing Red" thing. You have to look at Buffy and Spikes overall relationship. She ALWAYS said no, he always insisted and prevailed. Eventually she would give in. However in this scene Spike kept pushing. Buffy did say no but given their history he felt he should keep going and she would eventually give in. That wasn't the case this time. I was able to talk with Jane Espenson about this scene over the CSTS weekend and she told me that it didn't "turn out" quite like the writing team wanted. She said Spike was meant to feel instantly regretful about it but it didn't come across that way on the screen.
All in all, I like season six. I like Buffy and Spike. I truly believe deep down inside she did love him.
Agree with you whole-heartedly there, except for the Buffy loving Spike business. I think she loved things about him, but it would have been impossible to love him as a person, especially given their history.
"I love you."
"No you don't. But thanks for saying it."
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Agree with you whole-heartedly there, except for the Buffy loving Spike business. I think she loved things about him, but it would have been impossible to love him as a person, especially given their history.
"I love you."
"No you don't. But thanks for saying it."
Well, from what I know Joss said she did love him.
"it's always complicated and at some point someone has to draw the line and that is always going to be me. you get down on me for cutting myself off but in the end the slayer is always cut off. there's no mystical guide book, no all knowing council, human rules don't apply. there's only me....i am the law" -Buffy the Vampire Slayer
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Watch the episode commentaries. They help alot!
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I can't say I enjoyed watching the Buffy and Spike bits but that could be cos I'm a prude :) but I think the argument that it isn't Buffy is a valid one. I am not debating coming back from the dead isn't traumatizing and the new responsibilities thrust upon her would be terrifying I just don't think that having lots of sex with Spike was a good way to express that. Sure it made a point at the begining but I think where it went wrong was because there was so much of it and then it lost its meaning
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There's nothing wrong at all with a woman taking sexual control. I think what a lot of fans had a problem with was the fact that Buffy used sex to put off dealing with her emotional issues.
Using sex (or drugs or alcohol) to forget your problems - well I think most people would agree that's not the healthiest way to deal.
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