Privilege in the United States

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By River: Most of the time we are taken at our word. People assume that we [white people] are straight dealing, and hard working. People assume we are telling the truth. People assume that we didn't steal something. We are innocent until proven guilty, but any other race, especially the black race is guilty until proven innocent.

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This comes, much more likely than because of race, because of the fact that before we let our suburbs fall to shit, people knew their neighbors and weren't afraid to leave their locks open on their doors. White people in white suburbs were able to trust each other because they had enough that they weren't hungry and they weren't stealing and killing each other. Typically, black neighborhoods were the exact opposite for the exact opposite reasons. Is that really so hard to understand? Fuck you and your "stereotype" shit I know you're gong to retort with because you know this is true. Black people are going to have to work to earn respect and eventually a day will come when they don't have to work harder than anyone else does. I, personally, don't see a problem with this and I don't know why you do. You can drink all you want now and theorize and philosophise over all of this shit and feel bad about yourself because your parents and your parent's parents and their parents worked their asses off to make life easy for you so you can piss it away, with all that alcahol you drink.

It's your stereotypical story of the overprivelaged self loathing asswipe.


And by the way, I don't trust anyone. I suspect that's because even though I'm white, my upbringing wash MUCH rougher than yours was. My parents even lied to me constantly because they hated each other and were too wrapped up in their own little sad and depressing lives... you remind me particularly of my mother and her self loathing, by the way. I don't care what color or sex or age you are, I don't trust you until you earn it. You are a fool if you trust anyone without them having earned that trust first, and even then, to trust anyone blindly is pure lunacy and you diserve to get burned. When you get burned enough, you'll learn. You're still young yet.

I don't go to jury duty, because a little known trick is that if you don't show up, nothing happens to you, but the one time I did, they didn't want me on there because I told them flat out that they could prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that the crime was committed, I would still give a non-guilty vote.

I've delivered one man, a black man, to the beast for stabbing me in the back and beating the shit out of me with three of his friends while my white "friends" sat back and watched it. I've always felt guilty for pointing him out in the courtroom. If the "correctional" facilities in this country actually did anything to improve things, I wouldn't feel so bad about that still, but I can only imagine how many shitty months or years he had to suffer for that few days of suffering I had during the beating and healing periods.

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Originally posted by rue:
I appreciate your perspective. Though I'm white and have had the benefit of white privilege I remember want ads that said HELP-WANTED FEMALE bookkeeper, HELP-WANTED MALE accountant. I remember being the only female standing 4 hours in line for apprenticeships for pipe-fitters and electricians (they wouldn't even hand me the application form once I got to the desk). And I was told that the university I went to didn't allow female med students because they didn't have facilities for women. And there is still a severe glass ceiling for non-white non-males in the highest ranks of business and government.

SOME things have improved, but as long as we have a society that limits opportunities privilege will exist.

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That is too bad, by not giving you a chance they probably missed out on a great employee. A lot of work to still be done, and I so wish those that don't vote would get out and do so. To me there is no good excuse for not doing so, but you hear all kinds. When we all stand up and say "ENOUGH" you work for us we sill get a lot more done.

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Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:

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By River: Most of the time we are taken at our word. People assume that we [white people] are straight dealing, and hard working. People assume we are telling the truth. People assume that we didn't steal something. We are innocent until proven guilty, but any other race, especially the black race is guilty until proven innocent.

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This comes, much more likely than because of race, because of the fact that before we let our suburbs fall to shit, people knew their neighbors and weren't afraid to leave their locks open on their doors. White people in white suburbs were able to trust each other because they had enough that they weren't hungry and they weren't stealing and killing each other. Typically, black neighborhoods were the exact opposite for the exact opposite reasons. Is that really so hard to understand? Fuck you and your "stereotype" shit I know you're gong to retort with because you know this is true. Black people are going to have to work to earn respect and eventually a day will come when they don't have to work harder than anyone else does. I, personally, don't see a problem with this and I don't know why you do. You can drink all you want now and theorize and philosophise over all of this shit and feel bad about yourself because your parents and your parent's parents and their parents worked their asses off to make life easy for you so you can piss it away, with all that alcahol you drink.

It's your stereotypical story of the overprivelaged self loathing asswipe.


And by the way, I don't trust anyone. I suspect that's because even though I'm white, my upbringing wash MUCH rougher than yours was. My parents even lied to me constantly because they hated each other and were too wrapped up in their own little sad and depressing lives... you remind me particularly of my mother and her self loathing, by the way. I don't care what color or sex or age you are, I don't trust you until you earn it. You are a fool if you trust anyone without them having earned that trust first, and even then, to trust anyone blindly is pure lunacy and you diserve to get burned. When you get burned enough, you'll learn. You're still young yet.

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#1. I haven't had a drink since passing out the way I did on the 2nd of June.

#2. My parents made nothing easy for me. Matter of fact my life was hell up until the age 16. I didn't come from an over privileged home. I grew up poor, abused and mistreated by my mother and my crazy war vet father. My parents and their parents did not work their asses off at all to make life easy for anyone. They were self serving assholes that should never have had children. My abusive father eventually went away, and my crazy mother cut me some slack and died at 42, which ended with me out on the streets of Seattle while I was 16 years of age and still going to high school. At 18 years old a friend of mine found out how I was living and went and got her parents and forced me to stay with them. It was these nice people that enabled me to get a foundation, and a direction, and eventually into college, and now I own my own business, and I have lots of money, and a certain level of privilege. This would not have happened if I had not met those nice people. I was lucky to have met them. I doubt I would have survived really to tell you the truth. I never knew it at the time, but back then I think I was terrified, but I hid that terror in my studies, and believing in my 16 year old mind that there was something good waiting for me out there in life. I think I was scared in a big way.

#3. I do not hate my race, I've just seen, and read about too many bad things happening currently and historically, and when it does, it always seems that there's a white guy in the middle of it all in some way. Before I decided to go into business for myself I had to take jobs where I had to deal with all races of men and women and from where I stand the white guy was the worst. This is my experience and it is as valid as any ot

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...we've been telling everyone that they should take responsibility for their actions. We have yet to take our own advice and this bothers me.

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Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
Your messages are starting to get repetitive and annoying River. If you really want to read people's thoughts on this issue, feel free to peruse the archives where this has been hashed and rehashed many, many times.

Why do you hate your race so much? Why do you feel so guilty about everything?

Please. Get help for the drinking.

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My messages were repetitive because a lot of these guys were doing their usual business at trying to rationalize White Privilege, and I don't know how many times I had to repeat myself for them to get back on topic, which worked because they went back to the topic at hand. As far as rehashing this topic I've been on this board since 2004 and I have never seen any topics like this one, so you must be thinking about some threads that were created before 2004 that I'm not aware of. Also, I don't hate my race. I don't know why you think that but I don't. I am grossly disappointed in the males of our race, but hate the whole race collectively? Not possible, and BTW If I ever felt guilty about anything it would be not having had jumped on the Apple Computer band wagon when I had the chance back in the day. I would have made so much money if I had bought their stocks early, but noooo.... my interests at the time was somewhere else. Hindsight is always 20/20.

As far as the drinking is concerned I haven't consumed any since June 2nd. I guess my free fall from the chair to the floor with passing out as a grand finale didn't exactly go over too well with me. Besides I didn't drink every night, and if I did, and if I'm a roaring alcoholic, well, that's okay also. I'm 45 and I've done my bit for King and Country. The rest of life is down hill from here, so how I go out of this world is no main issue, but thank you for your concern.

-River

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I apologize for the overall tone of my posts River. You showed a lot of class in your reply(s). Obviously, I have somewhat of an anger management type problem that is all the more evident when I can't tone down my posts during the time that it takes to write them (which rarely is short).

Though I stand by any of my views about the topic itself, it was unfair of me and without class to bring any personal jabs into my reply. I just get so infuriated by this general mindset that I'm starting to see all around me where even white people and males in general or feeling sorry for everything else that everybody else does and has done when, most likely, they have plenty of shit that they personally have done and need to make ammends for. I see no point in knocking a race or a sex as a whole, other than that somebody wants whites and males to feel bad about themselves and that's why the media in flooded with all the bad shit individuals of our particular demographic have done. You can't escape seeing it, unless you throw out all of your TVs and never read a paper again..

Collectively, we're all a bunch of assholes and if you're going to look at humanity or any section of humanity as a whole, the bad will outweigh the good and you're going to see them for just how bad you're looking for them to be, or for how much you're trying to hate them. It's individually where you can find good in people, regardless of any demographic differences, and it's individuality that matters. It's indivuality that matters when you choose the kind of people you surround yourself with, and it's individuality that matters when you choose your own constitution. What our some of our "forefathers" did in the past or what some asswipe CEO today does to ruin the lives of many just so he can support his excesses does not matter and should not make you feel guilty.

Don't feel guilty about being a white male. If you really feel bad, use some of that newfound wealth to make a difference. Don't disassociate yourself from "White" and "Male"... disassociate yourself from all of those evil bastards today, and all throughout history, that were capable of doing so many hateful and destructive thigs to their fellow man that you yourself would never be capable of. Help be part of the proof that the hatered and fear of whites and males today is unwarranted.

I admit that was far off base in my angered and unwarranted assement of your past, and perhaps I still am, but forgive me for thinking that maybe it's your newfound "wealth" and lack of "struggle" to survive anymore that you're feeling guilty for and you're mistaking it for a guilt about your color and your sex? Especially when you see what the Man (Who is generally white and male) is doing to everyone else in the world today. Just don't lose scope of the fact that we're all getting the shaft now, all across the demographic board. Everytime they print out new money and flood the market with it, it's as if they're splitting the stock and we're not getting the split. That just can't go on forever. Look at how much food and gas cost today compared to even 6 months ago. The real reason that they don't talk about is that there is an ever exponentially increasing stock of worthless greenbacks every year and nothing more in the reserves such as gold (OR OIL) to back it up. These prices ain't never going back down, because in the end we don't have anything as valuable to the Saudis as their oil is to us, unless of course you include our labor. (Wouldn't virtual slavery for oil one day be ironic?) It won't be but a few generations from now when we're all using one currency and they've united all of the nations under one rule, so that, as Mal would say, "everyone can be interfered with or ignored equally."

Maybe that will make people with your mindset happy, but I've read 1984 and I really don't want to take that ride myself.


By the way. Congrats on the abstenance from drinking. I have plenty of vices myself and I had no business going there like that.

Have a good one.

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Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
I apologize for the overall tone of my posts River. You showed a lot of class in your reply(s). Obviously, I have somewhat of an anger management type problem that is all the more evident when I can't tone down my posts during the time that it takes to write them (which rarely is short).

Though I stand by any of my views about the topic itself, it was unfair of me and without class to bring any personal jabs into my reply. I just get so infuriated by this general mindset that I'm starting to see all around me where even white people and males in general or feeling sorry for everything else that everybody else does and has done when, most likely, they have plenty of shit that they personally have done and need to make ammends for. I see no point in knocking a race or a sex as a whole, other than that somebody wants whites and males to feel bad about themselves and that's why the media in flooded with all the bad shit individuals of our particular demographic have done. You can't escape seeing it, unless you throw out all of your TVs and never read a paper again..

Collectively, we're all a bunch of assholes and if you're going to look at humanity or any section of humanity as a whole, the bad will outweigh the good and you're going to see them for just how bad you're looking for them to be, or for how much you're trying to hate them. It's individually where you can find good in people, regardless of any demographic differences, and it's individuality that matters. It's indivuality that matters when you choose the kind of people you surround yourself with, and it's individuality that matters when you choose your own constitution. What our some of our "forefathers" did in the past or what some asswipe CEO today does to ruin the lives of many just so he can support his excesses does not matter and should not make you feel guilty.

Don't feel guilty about being a white male. If you really feel bad, use some of that newfound wealth to make a difference. Don't disassociate yourself from "White" and "Male"... disassociate yourself from all of those evil bastards today, and all throughout history, that were capable of doing so many hateful and destructive thigs to their fellow man that you yourself would never be capable of. Help be part of the proof that the hatered and fear of whites and males today is unwarranted.

I admit that was far off base in my angered and unwarranted assement of your past, and perhaps I still am, but forgive me for thinking that maybe it's your newfound "wealth" and lack of "struggle" to survive anymore that you're feeling guilty for and you're mistaking it for a guilt about your color and your sex? Especially when you see what the Man (Who is generally white and male) is doing to everyone else in the world today. Just don't lose scope of the fact that we're all getting the shaft now, all across the demographic board. Everytime they print out new money and flood the market with it, it's as if they're splitting the stock and we're not getting the split. That just can't go on forever. Look at how much food and gas cost today compared to even 6 months ago. The real reason that they don't talk about is that there is an ever exponentially increasing stock of worthless greenbacks every year and nothing more in the reserves such as gold (OR OIL) to back it up. These prices ain't never going back down, because in the end we don't have anything as valuable to the Saudis as their oil is to us, unless of course you include our labor. (Wouldn't virtual slavery for oil one day be ironic?) It won't be but a few generations from now when we're all using one currency and they've united all of the nations under one rule, so that, as Mal would say, "everyone can be interfered with or ignored equally."

Maybe that will make people with your mindset happy, but I've read 1984 and I really don't want to take that ride myself.


By the way. Congrats on the abstenance from drinking. I have plenty of vices myself and I had no business goin

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