Xander was a Fool to Leave Anya at the Altar

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RUGBUG

Monday, May 21, 2007 5:40 PM

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Originally posted by Groosalugg:
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Originally posted by MohrStoutbeard:
I do so wish I'd kept a running tally of things I've had spoiled for me in Buffy and Angel by inconsiderate thread titles and the like. I'm sure it would be quite an impressive list.

That occurred to me the minute I saw it. So, spoiler warnings are out the window now?

[rant]You know, at a certain point, say 4 years after the series has ended spoiler warnings become a bit much.

If you don't want to be spoiled for something 4 years old, don't go into a forum based on the show. Also, sit your ass down and watch the damn thing so there's nothing to spoil. [/rant]

It is well worth the effort.

As to what I think about the thread topic: While Xander shouldn't have left her at the altar, I'm fine with him leaving her. I'm also fine with him loving her and still wanting to be with her...just not married to her at that point. He was what 22? That's awfully young.

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SERENITYINSCOTLAND

Monday, May 21, 2007 6:01 PM

Gotta say I agree with RugBug on the spoilers issue. I have tried a few times over the year I have been a member here to get a mod or senior member to give me some guidance on spoilers to no avail. Would this have been a better title for River?
"Xander and Anya *Spoilers for Buffy Season 6 onwards"?
Probably, but this episode was aired what 4 or 5 years ago? At what point do we decide to stop with the spoiler warnings?

MOHRSTOUTBEARD

Monday, May 21, 2007 6:49 PM

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Originally posted by RugBug:
[rant]You know, at a certain point, say 4 years after the series has ended spoiler warnings become a bit much.

If you don't want to be spoiled for something 4 years old, don't go into a forum based on the show. Also, sit your ass down and watch the damn thing so there's nothing to spoil. [/rant]

A few points to consider:

Firstly, this topic doesn't just show up in Buffyverse, it shows up in the "Latest Discussions" list on the main page, which means people can stumble upon it without meaning to.

Secondly, Buffy and Angel represent more than 170 hours of television. It isn't something that gets watched overnight if you didn't watch it when it was on.

Thirdly, this site is Fireflyfans.net, not Fireflydouchebaggyspoilers.net. There is never a point at which spoiler warnings became "too much". It is just common courtesy. There's no reason to act so self-righteous just because you're too lazy to think of creative ways of being polite.

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AGENTROUKA

Monday, May 21, 2007 7:01 PM

But isn't there a point at which being careful of spoilers becomes the responsibility of the newbie? It's been 4 years. Posting spoiler warnings for all eternity is just unreal.

Anyone surfing this site is not a fandom-virgin and knows that people discuss all three Whedon shows here. If you're choosing to watch Buffy from scratch now, and want to remain utterly unspoiled, youre going to have to avoid certain places.

RUGBUG

Monday, May 21, 2007 7:06 PM

Well, being the self righteous douchebag that I am...

Buffy completed its run almost 35,000 hours ago. I know I've had plenty of time to watch those 170 hours...multiple times in fact.

Now, if someone is new to the verse this late in the game, they can't expect to not be spoiled. Seriously. You really shouldn't even expect to not be spoiled for Firefly.

If you don't want to be spoiled, don't go on a fan-site.
REal world example: say you're at work and there is a discussion about the season finale of ER that you missed. Do you stick around expecting others to not "spoil" you or do you make a quick exit if not knowing is that important? You leave so you don't have to hear without making everyone else stop their conversation.

BTW, I do my best to not post spoilers (thread titles should be a no-no...and I think the 'spoiler' code is awesome...) but there comes a time when you shouldn't expect others to spare your virgin Buffy ears.

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JWHEDONADDICT

Monday, May 21, 2007 7:51 PM

I still and always will love Xander, despite his human tendencies to do unkind things sometimes. That said, Xander's death would make all others pale in comparison to me. I could not imagine getting past it. He truly is the heart of BUFFY to me, and has been since March 10, 1997.

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GROOSALUGG

Tuesday, May 22, 2007 6:39 AM

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Originally posted by RugBug:
[rant]You know, at a certain point, say 4 years after the series has ended spoiler warnings become a bit much.

If you don't want to be spoiled for something 4 years old, don't go into a forum based on the show. Also, sit your ass down and watch the damn thing so there's nothing to spoil. [/rant] It is well worth the effort.

Well, just to get this up-front first, the reason I wasn't even going to bring it up when the thread was originally started was because, since it didn't affect me (I'd already seen all the eps), I didn't really care too much.

BUT, having said that... Remember that this is not primarily a 'Buffy' or 'Angel' fansite; it's a 'Firefly' fansite. Says so right in the title. People find their way here because they were exposed to FF and/or 'Serenity' and liked what they saw. I'd wager at least half the newbie Browncoats at first didn't even realize there was a connection between FF and BtVS/AtS ("Whoa, you mean the guy that did 'Firefly' was the same dude who did 'Buffy the Vampire Slayer'?") Once they do, some are bound to want to try the other two shows, as well. Heck, in the couple of years since I've been coming here, I've seen at least 4 or 5 threads started by people who are just starting out watching the 'Buffy' and 'Angel' DVDs--that's since 2005, 2 years or more since 'Buffy' went off the air.

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Cordelia: "We don't have time for this!"
Angel: "There's always time to be considerate of others, Cordelia."

And it's true. Especially when it comes to thread titles where someone can't help seeing it, even if they don't want to.

For example, a much better, more considerate title here would've been something like: Season 6--"Hell's Bells". Then, anyone browsing this forum who hadn't made it up to "Hell's Bells" yet would know to avoid it 'til they had.

Anyway, that's just how I feel about that. Luckily I can't remember ever having been burned myself in a case like this, but I'd still hate to see it happen to anyone else...

JWHEDONADDICT

Tuesday, May 22, 2007 9:23 AM

I don't know if anyone knows this but

Select to view spoiler:

Xander was originally supposed to be killed off rather than injured.
Joss changed his mind because he wanted a happy ending for the series and realized (thankfully) he couldn't have that if he killed off one of the main four. Anya was killed because 1) he needed a quick, pointless and cruel death before Spike's demise, to show how high the stakes were in this war, and 2) Emma Caulfield was pretty vocal about wanting to move on from Anya. That's why he chose her. Nick Brendon would've continued to play Xander, if asked. Emma was done. End of story.

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"In Joss We Trust."

RIVER6213

Tuesday, May 22, 2007 2:34 PM

I didn't know that.

-River

THESOMNAMBULIST

Tuesday, May 22, 2007 3:53 PM

You see I'm frequently amazed on this forum how many of you here are all in favour of KILLERS!!!!

It happens all the time with Spike.

THEY KILLED PEOPLE!!!! They deserve all the badness they get!!!! ( and really it's not that bad, she just got jilted. Sheesh who doesn't, get over it y'know. She spent 1000 thousand years terrorising humans for vengence, mostly for fun!!!) She can stand a little jilting at the altar.

I mean would you so readily accomodate a serial killer who frequents your street ? I doubt it. I certainly wouldn't. ANYA was a great character but she was no catch! She came with heaps of baggage, and a very juvenile outlook and in constant need validation. Xander should have gone for someone HUMAN as should have Buffy.

While it may not have been the best way to let her know of his doubts (wedding day) it had to be done. Their future together would have been a disaster. In the long run he made the wise decision.

And as for ANYA's death being tragic. May I reming you - she was a thousand years old!!! She'd had a life. No tragedy there. Crickey if you're not happy with a thousand years of life you aint never going to be happy, lets face it!

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