Xander was a Fool to Leave Anya at the Altar
POSTED BY: RiveR6213
UPDATED: Friday, June 1, 2007 03:36
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Nice goin' Som!
And RE: spoilers, yeah, maybe the title tells a lot, but it doesn't tell of a death or anything!
I don't mean to be hardassed here, but for instance, I haven't seen Heroes since the first few eps, and when it comes out August on DVD- I'm there, in the meantime I won't go NEAR Heroes discussions or sites.
And anyone that loves Firefly, but won't watch Buffy ain't gonna care.
One more thing- I was spoiled for EVERY major plot point before going in, and it was (still is) a gas all the way. But that may just be me....
Spoiled rotten Chrisisall
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THESOMNABULIST --
so what if Anya was a vengeance demon and had racked up bad karma to the high heavens?
That doesn't justify what Xander did any more than his leaving her at the altar makes up for what she did.
He behaved in a really shitty, really childish and cowardly way and nothing Anya ever did takes away from that.
I'm all for judging people by what they do, right or wrong, not whether the victim "had it coming".
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Originally posted by TheSomnambulist:
You see I'm frequently amazed on this forum how many of you here are all in favour of KILLERS!!!!
It happens all the time with Spike.
THEY KILLED PEOPLE!!!! They deserve all the badness they get!!!! ( and really it's not that bad, she just got jilted. Sheesh who doesn't, get over it y'know. She spent 1000 thousand years terrorising humans for vengence, mostly for fun!!!) She can stand a little jilting at the altar.
I mean would you so readily accomodate a serial killer who frequents your street ? I doubt it. I certainly wouldn't. ANYA was a great character but she was no catch! She came with heaps of baggage, and a very juvenile outlook and in constant need validation. Xander should have gone for someone HUMAN as should have Buffy.
The biggest problem I have with your post is that Anya is HUMAN and is no longer a killer. She hasn't been since she turned human...well, until Xander left her.
It would be interesting to contrast her to Angel, who feels guilty about his transgressions. Anya doesn't, and in fact, still takes pride in the work she did as a vengence demon. That would be her biggest failing as human, in my book. Does she deserve pain, though? No. But it is inevitable in life and I think Xander made the right decision by not marrying her. However, he should've figured things out earlier.
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"The power of accurate observation is commonly called cynicism by those who have not got it." - George Bernard Shaw
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Originally posted by AgentRouka:
He behaved in a really shitty, really childish and cowardly way and nothing Anya ever did takes away from that.
What would've been the adult way? Marry her anyway? It's not like he just ran away never to be found.
Yes, his insistence on getting married was childish. It was like he didn't want her assertions that he only proposed because he thought the world was going to end to be true...so he made sure they weren't. Only he couldn't go through with it because in the end, she was right. But not marrying Anya was not childish.
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"The power of accurate observation is commonly called cynicism by those who have not got it." - George Bernard Shaw
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I'm pretty certain you answered your own question, RugBug?
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Quote:A little hard on the boy, aren't we?
Originally posted by AgentRouka:
He behaved in a really shitty, really childish and cowardly way and nothing Anya ever did takes away from that.
Xander-like Chrisisall
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Originally posted by AgentRouka:
I'm pretty certain you answered your own question, RugBug?
Well, he didn't realize it until he was almost at the altar. What exactly would you propose he did? He can't change the past, so he stepped up and did the adult thing. His timing sucked, but that decision wasn't childish.
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"The power of accurate observation is commonly called cynicism by those who have not got it." - George Bernard Shaw
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Originally posted by RugBug:Quote:
Originally posted by AgentRouka:
I'm pretty certain you answered your own question, RugBug?
Well, he didn't realize it until he was almost at the altar. What exactly would you propose he did? He can't change the past, so he stepped up and did the adult thing. His timing sucked, but that decision wasn't childish.
Part of him must have known. You yourself call his insistance to get married childish. THAT's the part that I can't forgive. That willful blindness and the expense of another person.
I'm not saying he should have shut up and married her. The fact that he delayed the decision up until that moment.. THAT is utterly... blergh!
I don't think that was really necessary. Not to mention being so blind to the emotional consequences as to even imagine the relationship continuing. How self-centered is that?
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Originally posted by chrisisall:Quote:A little hard on the boy, aren't we?
Originally posted by AgentRouka:
He behaved in a really shitty, really childish and cowardly way and nothing Anya ever did takes away from that.
Xander-like Chrisisall
I can't say. Maybe it's an unhealthy bias, but I'm just really allergic to people lying to themselves and others until they can't anymore, uncaring of who they hurt in the process. It's just such an ultimate act of disregard to other people involved, people who are supposedly beloved.
That dishonesty... and especially if it's defended as something that couldn't be helped. It could. By having a spine and respect for others. The absence of which really can't be excused.
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Quote:I see your point, but remember, he was a late-blooming 22 year-old...just barely an adult by many standards. And he CARED who he hurt, he just couldn't SEE any way around that.
Originally posted by AgentRouka:
I'm just really allergic to people lying to themselves and others until they can't anymore, uncaring of who they hurt in the process. It's just such an ultimate act of disregard to other people involved, people who are supposedly beloved.
Poor Xan...Chrisisall
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