Jerry Falwell dead at 73
POSTED BY: Geezer
UPDATED: Sunday, May 20, 2007 16:55
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Quote:Haven’t you heard? I want to kill everyone who isn’t a white Anglo-Saxon Christian Fundamentalist teletuby-hating gay-bashing anti-Semitic islamophobic grasshopper-bashing hating-all-people-whose-name-begins with-“W” anti-catholic anti-Irish racist-zionist-nazi.
Originally posted by SignyM:
Could you say this about the Ayatollah Khomeini, for example? All HE did was "talk". Never killed anyone.
As enjoyable as it’s been listening to you paint me as the anti-Christ (and yourself as god incarnate, all praise SignyM), unfortunately I have to go sit with my elderly grandmother, being the son-of-bitch that I am. So this will have to be my last post.
Nihil est incertius vulgo, nihil obscurius voluntate hominum, nihil fallacius ratione tota comitiorum.
Nothing is more unpredictable than the mob, nothing more obscure than public opinion, nothing more deceptive than the whole political system.
-- Cicero
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Well Finn, I don't know how many times in this thread I tried to say that you were not evil, a mass-murdering SOB, or the latest incarnation of Hitler. All I've done is quote you or reference previous posts to try and get you to bang one idea of yours against another to hopefully develop some insight as to WHY you would feel one way in one context but differently in the same situation of a different flavor. Nonetheless, you insist on putting words in my mouth.
last time: I don't think you're evil. If you were, you wouldn't be so bothered.
I hope your elderly grandmother is doing well. If she is half as nice as mine was you're a lucky man. If not, you're a devoted grandson.
Peace.
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Another fascinating tidbit on Falwell. Although he is probably best known for his hatred of homosexuals and his position as acceptable front man for the more terrorist minded of the anti-abortionists he was also an opponent of the Civil Rights movement. Some of the last practicers of discrimination in education were private religious colleges. It wasn't until the IRS started revoking the tax-exempt status of these institutions that changes were made. Although changes were not made without a fight. Bob Jones University took a case all the way to the Supreme Court trying to argue that their discriminatory policies (including a ban on interracial dating) should not remove their first amendment protections. They lost that one in 1982.
A whole generation of evangelical leaders (Falwell among them) were galvanized to get political by this removal of tax-exempt status. They were pretty pissed at the Supreme Court for not agreeing with them that their discrimination at their educational institutions was protected religious activity.
* edit to add: I was surprised to learn that Roe v Wade as a rallying cry for Protestants is a pretty recent thing. The Southern Baptist Convention was not anti-abortion (although Falwell was, he disagreed with his denomination) following the Roe v Wade decision. Anti-abortionism was more of a Catholic thing. And Catholics had always been thought of as the enemy - Rome as Babylon, the Pope as the anti-Christ, etc. (paraphrased from the Sara Robinson post I linked to above).
* edited one more time to add: Bob Jones University actually didn't lift their interracial dating prohibition until the year 2000. They paid the million dollars in back taxes, after losing their court case in the early eighties, and presumably paid taxes every year after that. It was more important, to them, to keep that interracial dating prohibition on the books and lose their tax-exempt status than it would have bee to remove their discriminatory policies and requalify for tax-exemption.
Two sort of related things. What's everyone's take on the tax-exempt status of religious organizations? Where's Geezer's opinion in all this? (when somebody hosts a party and ducks out the back door it starts to look suspicious 
)
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Jerry Falwaell made a career out of speaking ill of the dead. AIDS was God's punishment. The 911 victims deserved death for tolerating homosexuality and free speech. Considering how he dished it out, his treatment has been quite tame. I consider that a testament to his victims' restraint.
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What was frustrating about Falwell, and this is something he shared with the other prominent leaders of the Christianist right from his generation, is that he was so damn provincial. It really sucks when someone rises to that level of power and influence and still maintains a narrow uninformed worldview. I hope that his generation will be the last to share that trait. There are indiciations that the next generation of evangelical leaders are much less hidebound and reactionary (although it doesn't take much to be less hidebound and reactionary than Falwell and Robertson and Dobson et al).
I won't hold my breath but I wish them well. The money changers don't like being cleaned out of the temple.
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A special place in Hell?
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The Secret Life of Jerry Farwell: Televangelist linked to 9/11 terror flight school run by CIA
At the same time the Rev. Jerry Falwell was accusing pagans, abortionists, feminists, gays, lesbians, the ACLU and People For the American Way of sharing responsibility for the 9/11 attack the televangelist owed over one million dollars in unpaid loans to the owner of the terror flight school in Florida which trained Mohamed Atta and Marwan Al-Shehhi, the MadCowMorningNews has learned...
"Falwell’s accountant told me, ‘if I can pay you in chunks off the books so Jerry doesn’t see it, I can get it handled,’ Burchill said.
“So we worked out a payment schedule. After that checks drawn on Liberty University came in for a few months, until Falwell figured out what was going on and put a stop to it.”
That the avuncular Southern Baptist minister was “stripping out” his church’s bank account at the end of the month is no doubt news to his supporters. Picture him trying to peddle forgiveness for that down the aisles at Liberty Baptist...
One of the flight trainers who trained Atta in Venice moonlighted flying missionary flights for televangelist Pat Robertson’s Operation Blessing.
During the 1980s Falwell— at the same time Robertson was involved a bizarre sideline for a preacher, diamond mining in West Africa— had been an outspoken supporter of apartheid in South Africa...
www.madcowprod.com/05182007.html
And these gems:
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Mrs. Betty Bowers' Eulogy for Rev. Jerry Falwell: All's Well That End's Falwell
www.bettybowers.com/nl_may2007.html
Landover Baptist Sermon: In Surprise Move, God Snuffs Out Jerry Falwell
www.landoverbaptist.org/news0507/falwell.html
Almost as good as her rants about that FABULOUS faggot GW Bush.
www.bettybowers.com/isbushgay.html
A sodomite with his finger on the nuke button... Does that sound right to you?
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Oh my!
Well, ya gotta laugh or else ya just gotta cry.
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Quote:They should be taxed like everyone else. (As should corporations) To the extent that they spend money on charitable work- food, housing, dental and medical care for working poor, indigent, runaways; non-religious family, metnal health, and drug counseling; non-religious eduction etc- that can deducted- just like with everyone else.
Two sort of related things. What's everyone's take on the tax-exempt status of religious organizations?
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