Jerry Falwell dead at 73
POSTED BY: Geezer
UPDATED: Sunday, May 20, 2007 16:55
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"Hate speech is bigoted speech attacking or disparaging a social or ethnic group or a member of such a group." Or member of a religion? You see, Falwell didn't espouse trials, convictions and due process. What he espoused was to 'blow them away in the name of the lord'. In other words, wipe groups of people off the map not for anything they've done but for what they are.
But that's Bush's approach as well - kill people first on suspicion - and I know you're OK with that as well.
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What Falwell said was pretty stupid, but you've now crossed the line to being even more stupid. You can't tell the difference between terrorists and a religious group, and you're obviously very invested in the hate. There's nothing I can do for you.
Nihil est incertius vulgo, nihil obscurius voluntate hominum, nihil fallacius ratione tota comitiorum.
Nothing is more unpredictable than the mob, nothing more obscure than public opinion, nothing more deceptive than the whole political system.
-- Cicero
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What Falwell called for was indiscriminate killing - no charges, no trial, no jury, no verdict. Just that Bush should 'blow them away' at his discretion. That's beyond stupid. And it's not very Christian-like either.
But you can't see that because you would support all manner of hate as long as it comes under the cover of YOUR religion. Yes, you came out of the closet along time ago when it comes to killing - it's OK as long as your OK with it. Sweet religion you got there.
PS And you have yet to find a quote of mine where I say ANYONE should be killed. So I guess it's true - the person who doesn't have an issue with a hate-monger would be - yes, another hate monger.
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Quote:Yeah, and I bash baby seals in the head and talk in the theater. Is it possible for you to disagree with anyone honestly? You’re glad Falwell is dead because of 9 words he said which you’ve taken out of context and now you’re accusing me of condoning mass murder, I guess. Like I said, you’re obviously very invested in the hate, and a very insecure person.
Originally posted by rue:
But you can't see that because you would support all manner of hate as long as it comes under the cover of YOUR religion. Yes, you came out of the closet along time ago when it comes to killing - it's OK as long as your OK with it. Sweet religion you got there.
PS, I didn’t look for any, nor do I intend to. Unlike you, I don’t demonize or hate the people I disagree with.
mmbah bye
Nihil est incertius vulgo, nihil obscurius voluntate hominum, nihil fallacius ratione tota comitiorum.
Nothing is more unpredictable than the mob, nothing more obscure than public opinion, nothing more deceptive than the whole political system.
-- Cicero
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Finn,
Is it possible for YOU to debate anything honestly?
I invited you to take a look at the many Falwell quotes available and cited that one merely as an example (and I pointed out it was just one example). There's plenty more of that because Falwell was a hate-filled guy. It's what he preached. You're more than OK with that, you defend it. What does that make you?
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Because it has now been three days, I think I shall respond in kind.
SignyM:
Do you agree that to hate Falwell because Falwell hated homosexuals is counter-productive? Do you not become that which you hate? I quoted your posting from the Dead Terrorists thread because this thread on Falwell lead me to draw some interesting conclusions. A number of Posters in the Dead Terrorists thread condemned the perceived relief other Posters drew from the death of al Zarqawi. This thread on the death of Falwell has been a complete 180. Why do you suppose that is? Perhaps we are so completely locked into our partisan prisons that there can be no middle ground. Perhaps Posters feel more sympathy for a man who murdered people than they do for one who called for murder. Perhaps their convictions are not as set in stone as they think they are.
Rue:
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Originally posted by rue:
reposted as the thread has gone on -
For the record I have my own personal philosophy that's not NT. Insofar as Falwell preached hate I thought he poisoned humanity. And while I don't and didn't hate him personally I'm relieved he's no longer spreading his message. If he had simply stopped preaching rather than dying that would have worked for me as well.
So you did not have a problem with the messenger, just the message. You think the message will change now that he's gone?
I would very much like an answer if you please.
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Originally posted by rue:
This is what you said: "Some Posters even gave reasons for their hate ... " And yet, only one poster said they hated Falwell. Just one. The math is very simple.
Now you want to argue semantics, well okay.
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Originally posted by rue:
Almost no one here used the word hate.
Actually a majority of the Posters in this thread used the word hate which means your statement was erroneous. Not in your opinion though because you changed the meaning to Posters specifically stating that they hated Falwell, kudos. Another in a long line of goalpost shifts which you have slickly perpetrated in this thread IMHO. Up to and including the following,
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Originally posted by rue:
But that's Bush's approach as well - kill people first on suspicion - and I know you're OK with that as well.
I'll give credit where credit is due though. How you manage to slam Bush in EVERY thread, no matter the original topic, shows real commit(ed)ment.
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BDN
When most people used the word hate they were talking not about how they felt about Falwell but about Falwell's message being one of hate. Only one person said they hate Falwell. I actually knew you were going to say this, so a while ago I copied up a bunch of quotes where people used the word 'hate':
this man who spread so much distrust and hate
Big difference between "not agreeing" and the hate-mongering he was responsible for
Fallwell ... used the faith of others to push his agenda of hate
First he'd say something unabashedly hateful
Insofar as Falwell preached hate
As far as I'm concerned you don't know how to read.
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I call this "words of an idiot" -
If you're not a born-again Christian, you're a failure as a human being.
-- Rev Jerry Falwell
God continues to lift the curtain and allow the enemies of America to give us probably what we deserve.
-- Rev Jerry Falwell, blaming civil libertarians, feminists, homosexuals, and abortion rights supporters for the terrorist attacks of Tuesday, September 11, 2001, to which Rev Pat Robertson agreed
The ACLU's got to take a lot of blame for this.
-- Rev Jerry Falwell, blaming civil libertarians for the terrorist attacks of Tuesday, September 11, 2001, to which Rev Pat Robertson again agreed, quoted from AANEWS #958 by American Atheists
And, I know that I'll hear from them for this. But, throwing God out successfully with the help of the federal court system, throwing God out of the public square, out of the schools. The abortionists have got to bear some burden for this because God will not be mocked. And when we destroy 40 million little innocent babies, we make God mad. I really believe that the pagans, and the abortionists, and the feminists, and the gays and the lesbians who are actively trying to make that an alternative lifestyle, the ACLU, People for the American Way -- all of them who have tried to secularize America -- I point the finger in their face and say, "You helped this happen."
-- Rev Jerry Falwell, blaming civil libertarians, feminists, homosexuals, and abortion rights supporters for the terrorist attacks of Tuesday, September 11, 2001
I put all the blame legally and morally on the actions of the terrorist, [but America's] secular and anti-Christian environment left us open to our Lord's [decision] not to protect. When a nation deserts God and expels God from the culture ... the result is not good.
-- Rev Jerry Falwell, backpedaling amidst criticism of his statement blaming civil libertarians, feminists, homosexuals, and abortion rights supporters for the terrorist attacks of Tuesday, September 11, 200
I hope I live to see the day when, as in the early days of our country, we won't have any public schools. The churches will have taken them over again and Christians will be running them. What a happy day that will be!
AIDS is not just God's punishment for homosexuals; it is God's punishment for the society that tolerates homosexuals.
The idea that religion and politics don't mix was invented by the Devil to keep Christians from running their own country.
It appears that America's anti-Biblical feminist movement is at last dying, thank God, and is possibly being replaced by a Christ-centered men's movement which may become the foundation for a desperately needed national spiritual awakening.
-- Jerry Falwell
The Jews are returning to their land of unbelief. They are spiritually blind and desperately in need of their Messiah and Savior.
Grown men should not be having sex with prostitutes unless they are married to them.
-- Jerry Falwell, on CNN's Crossfire, May 17, 1997
We're fighting against humanism, we're fighting against liberalism ... we are fighting against all the systems of Satan that are destroying our nation today ... our battle is with Satan himself.
Billy Graham is the chief servant of Satan.
-- Rev Jerry Falwell (attributed: source unknown)
The ACLU is to Christians what the American Nazi party is to Jews.
-- Rev Jerry Falwell (attributed: source unknown)
I am such a strong admirer and supporter of George W. Bush that if he suggested eliminating the income tax or doubling it, I would vote yes on first blush.
I believe that global warming is a myth. And so, therefore, I have no conscience problems at all and I'm going to buy a Suburban next time.
It is God's planet - and he's taking care of it. And I don't believe that anything we do will raise or lower the temperature one point.
Textbooks are Soviet propaganda.
The whole global warming thing is created to destroy America's free enterprise system and our economic stability
I listen to feminists and all these radical gals -
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Quote:I guess it makes me someone who isn’t willing to find gratification in the death of a person simply I disagreed with him. I defended him; because he never really did anything wrong enough to find pleasure in his death or to mock him on his deathbed. I just disagree with what he had to say. I wish you could understand that, but I think you’re too consumed with your own inflexible and intolerant political views. And I also think that the idea of finding compassion for a conservative Christian leader is very threatening to you.
Originally posted by rue:
You're more than OK with that, you defend it. What does that make you?
Nihil est incertius vulgo, nihil obscurius voluntate hominum, nihil fallacius ratione tota comitiorum.
Nothing is more unpredictable than the mob, nothing more obscure than public opinion, nothing more deceptive than the whole political system.
-- Cicero
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"I also think that the idea of finding compassion for a conservative Christian leader is very threatening to you."
As much as I disagreed with Pope John Paul II I was deeply saddened by his death. He was, I thought, misguided but sincere in his efforts. I have similar feelings for Billy Graham who seems to have acquired a genuine love of humanity and some humility in his old age. So yes, I know how to disagree with a position but respect and feel compassion for the person.
Falwell ??? Beyond disagreeing with his position, the guy was a hate-filled nutcase. And he spent his life exhorting others to go thou and do likewise.
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