Jerry Falwell dead at 73
POSTED BY: Geezer
UPDATED: Sunday, May 20, 2007 16:55
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Quote:Face it Finn; you dis Tinky Winky, and no one is your friend. Falwell roasts in Teletubby Hell.
Originally posted by Finn mac Cumhal:
No one hates Jerry Falwell. They’re just glad he’s dead so that they can be free of the burden of the possibility that he might occasionally make brief appearances in the news and say something they don’t agree with or find offensive.
Uh oh Chrisisall
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Damn gay Teletubbies and their rock music.
Nihil est incertius vulgo, nihil obscurius voluntate hominum, nihil fallacius ratione tota comitiorum.
Nothing is more unpredictable than the mob, nothing more obscure than public opinion, nothing more deceptive than the whole political system.
-- Cicero
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"They’re just glad he’s dead so that they can be free of the burden of the possibility that he might occasionally make brief appearances in the news and say something they don’t agree with or find offensive." Yes, you can be glad that someone died and is no longer spewing hate, and still not hate them.
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What are talking about? Jerry Falwall never spewed any hate. He was just seeking relief from homosexuals.
Nihil est incertius vulgo, nihil obscurius voluntate hominum, nihil fallacius ratione tota comitiorum.
Nothing is more unpredictable than the mob, nothing more obscure than public opinion, nothing more deceptive than the whole political system.
-- Cicero
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Now I know you're kidding.
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What’s sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander, I guess.
Nihil est incertius vulgo, nihil obscurius voluntate hominum, nihil fallacius ratione tota comitiorum.
Nothing is more unpredictable than the mob, nothing more obscure than public opinion, nothing more deceptive than the whole political system.
-- Cicero
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Nowhere did anyone have anything against Falwell except for what he did. And I supect if he stopped his hate-mongering people would have been OK with him.
But look for Falwell quotes (they're currently all over the internet) and you'll find him condemning people not for what they personally have done but because of what they are (or what he thinks they are).
See the difference? One - Falwell - condemns whole categories of people without any specific knowledge. The other - the posters here - have an issue with the specific actions of one person.
I suppose you won't see that though. You seem pretty stuck on Falwell. And you keep insisting he just had a different set of beliefs and never preached hate. As if he never called for the death of anyone (he did, at least twice).
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Quote:I see more then you think. I suppose the only way that some of you will ever believe that I don’t agree with Falwell will be for me to espouse a hatred of the man. And that’s more disturbing to me then one man spewing hate. But then again, Falwell never had much impact on my life. He was just some guy with an abrasive opinion, like Howard Stern or dozens of other such people I routinely ignore. What would lead me to have any kind of passionate condemnation of him anyway?
Originally posted by rue:
I suppose you won't see that though. You seem pretty stuck on Falwell. And you keep insisting he just had a different set of beliefs and never preached hate. As if he never called for the death of anyone (he did, at least twice).
But yes, Falwell basically had a different set of beliefs. And as far as whether those beliefs were tantamount to preaching hate - I suppose we have to look at what that means. As I remember it, you have a certain set rather generalized opinions about Americans. Americans are “ugly and hateful.” Americans are the most defensive wall-off group of people in the world. And there’s probably stuff I missed. These are your thoughts about an entire group of people. Now I’m sure you won’t see this is as spewing hate, anymore the Falwell would have described his own words that way. I beleive Falwell once said that he hated the act of homosexuality, not the homosexual.
I think Falwell had a political view of the world that led him to be a little too overly critical of certain groups of people, but then in my opinion, you have a political view of the world that leads you to be a little too overly critical of certain groups of people. If I’m supposed to hate people with these kinds of opinions, I’m going to be hating a lot of people.
Now don’t get me wrong, I understand exactly where you’re coming from. I mean someone has got to point out how far America has drifted from the path of righteousness, right? You’re just saying what needs to be said. After all, Americans are running the streets of America in droves like they own the place. That’s just un-American.
Nihil est incertius vulgo, nihil obscurius voluntate hominum, nihil fallacius ratione tota comitiorum.
Nothing is more unpredictable than the mob, nothing more obscure than public opinion, nothing more deceptive than the whole political system.
-- Cicero
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When you call for someone or a group of someones to be killed it's hate speech. Not for god to take them home, or for them to leave this world, but for Bush specifically to 'blow them away in the name of the lord'. (just one example.) THAT'S what I have against Falwell, and which you consistently ignore. Or maybe you don't think that that's hate speech when Falwell says it, or says it in the name of religion.
I have my criticisms of the US and USers but please find me a quote where I say they, or anyone, should be killed.
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he wasn't just a religious fundamentalist, he was a DANGEROUS religious fundamentalist who had tangible effects on peoples' lives.
Bingo.
Make yourself a threat to me personally, and I think it's a given i ain't gonna like you and your ilk very much.
The other side of the coin ain't my problem, when a man lays threat against me because of my beliefs, and encourages others to act on it cause he's too much a pansy to do it himself, welll....
Again, good riddance.
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Would you want members of Falwell's family stumbling across the crass comments found in this thread?
Fine, let em, and let Hitlers descendants whine about me flaming him too, and Stalins, and Abe "the monster" Lincolns, for that matter, I don't really care what they think of me.
Everyone's got a right to an opinion even if others find it offensive, but it crosses the line when one encourages violence against those who DON'T hold that opinion, and Falwell is gonna take a posthumous roasting for it, same as him and his ilk take from me while still kicking - this means YOU, Dobson, you fucktard.
(not firefly Dobson, mind.)
And for the record, do I, did I, hate him ?
Damn right, and Dobson, and Esso, and Baker, and Swaggart, and all the rest of these goons who think me and anyone who believes as I do should be purged from the earth to make room for true believers in what they believe.
Does it mean I hate all of that belief ? hell no, but when someone makes a direct threat against me because of my own beliefs, encouraging force and violence, it's morally RIGHT to despise them.
Think you'd be fond of me if I, say... advocated bringing back the practice of feeding christians to the lions, for example ? and meant it 100% seriously ? and tried to get the govt to throw it's legal weight behind it ? and pounded the message on TV all damn day ?
Wouldn't like that much, would you ?
Good flaming riddance to him, and may the rest of those hate-spewing scum follow him soon.
-Frem
It cannot be said enough, those who do not learn from history, are doomed to endlessly repeat it
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