#2 Ponders Anakin versus River - who would win

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ZEEK

Thursday, April 12, 2007 9:59 PM

Sorry but Anakin wins this battle hands down.

Projectile weapons would be as effective against a jedi as they are against Neo. I picture a jedi stopping all the bullets in front of them the same way Neo does.

As for swords and physical fighting with a jedi, that only works for other jedi and in videogames. No human or machine is going to get close to a jedi unless they allow it. You may remember the force push. That can only be stopped by other jedi.

I would think the fight would go something along the lines of Anakin lifts River into the air with the force. Anakin chokes River to death with the force. Anakin goes to Padme and cries for a while.

The best River could hope for is that Anakin gets too arrogant and decides he doesn't need to use the force to beat a mere human. Which is doubtful seeing the way he slaughtered sandpeople and robots.

FUTUREMRSFILLION

Thursday, April 12, 2007 10:28 PM

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Round Two.

Anakin not using the force, but using any cooked pasta as a weapon, no sauce. Evil looks are OK.

River gets to shout weird stuff and throw half-eaten ice planets. And dance.

Discuss.

Edit: How old is #2? Nice post, that.

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Thursday, April 12, 2007 10:42 PM

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Originally posted by FutureMrsFIllion:
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Originally posted by FlyVote:
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Originally posted by FutureMrsFIllion:
I grok, you grok, we all grok!

Round Two.

Anakin not using the force, but using any cooked pasta as a weapon, no sauce. Evil looks are OK.

River gets to shout weird stuff and throw half-eaten ice planets. And dance.

Discuss.

Edit: How old is #2? Nice post, that.

#2 has attained the great age of 16! I am old, old, old, old and my children are all bigger than me now.

He did well with his argument. Of course he is wrong wrong wrong. But I don't hold that against him.

I still say that the invasive brain tinkering done to River by the Alliance gives her the ability to absorb everything that Anakin knows, as well as his ability to manipulate the force. She becomes a Master Moonbrain Jedi. Anakin wouldn't stand a chance against a Force wielding little crazy person.

Frankly any of the four Firefly women would stop Mini-Darth cold in his tracks, just from their beauty.

#2 should consider a debate class. Hone speaking skills. 16 is the right age to consider the advantages of skilled public discourse.

I hope #2 stays in the thread and continues presenting ideas supporting that side of the debate.

Edit: Oh, and poo on you. You're not old at all.

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ZEEK

Friday, April 13, 2007 2:37 PM

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He did well with his argument. Of course he is wrong wrong wrong. But I don't hold that against him. I still say that the invasive brain tinkering done to River by the Alliance gives her the ability to absorb everything that Anakin knows, as well as his ability to manipulate the force. She becomes a Master Moonbrain Jedi. Anakin wouldn't stand a chance against a Force wielding little crazy person.

First off not just anyone can use the force. You have to be force sensitive in the first place to even have the potential. It's a fairly rare trait in the Star Wars Universe. So, it's unlikely that River could use the force even if she did somehow read the knowledge from Anakin. Second jedi are supposed to be highly trained individuals. Their minds are well defended usually. Now Anakin maybe not because he didn't seem too disciplined, but still I'm not so sure a jedi's mind would really be an open book to river like a regular person would be.

FLYVOTE

Friday, April 13, 2007 3:02 PM

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He did well with his argument. Of course he is wrong wrong wrong. But I don't hold that against him. I still say that the invasive brain tinkering done to River by the Alliance gives her the ability to absorb everything that Anakin knows, as well as his ability to manipulate the force. She becomes a Master Moonbrain Jedi. Anakin wouldn't stand a chance against a Force wielding little crazy person.

First off not just anyone can use the force. You have to be force sensitive in the first place to even have the potential. It's a fairly rare trait in the Star Wars Universe. So, it's unlikely that River could use the force even if she did somehow read the knowledge from Anakin. Second jedi are supposed to be highly trained individuals. Their minds are well defended usually. Now Anakin maybe not because he didn't seem too disciplined, but still I'm not so sure a jedi's mind would really be an open book to river like a regular person would be.

Zeek: This isn't the Star Wars universe, nor is it the Firefly 'verse. It is the FireflyFans.net 'verse. Anything goes.

If it were the SW universe, Anakin would win. River is just a mortal. She might be very well trained, but isn't a Jedi.

If it is the Firefly 'verse, River would win because there is no "Force". Even his light saber wouldn't work.

The "Enterprise vs. Star Destroyer" type of arguments are never interesting if only argued for winning. It is the content of the discussion that is interesting. I come away from this not really caring who might win, but with the very important key word "Whine-akin" to add to my arsenal.

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MSG

Friday, April 13, 2007 3:27 PM

Zeek I can see where you're coming from, but my main drive is that Anakin is simply too easy to manipulate. Unless the first second they see each other they begin the fight, River has a major advantage. She's able to see his intent and take defensive steps as well as plan her attack and she's likely capable of manipulating him ( since it's painfully clear a small child with a shiny toy could manipulate him) However, if the battle were instantly joined, I'd agree that Anakin would hold his own an possibly win.

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ZEEK

Friday, April 13, 2007 4:09 PM

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Zeek: This isn't the Star Wars universe, nor is it the Firefly 'verse. It is the FireflyFans.net 'verse. Anything goes.

If it were the SW universe, Anakin would win. River is just a mortal. She might be very well trained, but isn't a Jedi.

If it is the Firefly 'verse, River would win because there is no "Force". Even his light saber wouldn't work.

Actually they're both our universe. Star Wars is set "a long time ago in a galaxy far far away" and Firefly is set 500 years in the future in a solar system not too far away. Star wars expanded universe pretty much has the force existing everywhere. There are cases of specific creatures who can extract the force from a being or create a force free bubble, but other than that the force exists in their galaxy and in others. Also even without the use of the force jedi have proven to be formidable fighters. Taking on lifelong devoted warriors. So, pretty much I'd have to guess River and Anakin's combat abilities would be evenly matched.

I'd have to say that people are really giving River a lot of credit here. All we've seen is that she can beat a pack of crazed people and a group of drunkards who are underestimating her. Even in the bar she wasn't invincible. They were still able to land some hits on her. I'd be interested to see how she'd stand up against the operative. They probably had similar combat training, but he would be more fit and probably could take a lot more damage than River could.

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Zeek I can see where you're coming from, but my main drive is that Anakin is simply too easy to manipulate. Unless the first second they see each other they begin the fight, River has a major advantage. She's able to see his intent and take defensive steps as well as plan her attack and she's likely capable of manipulating him ( since it's painfully clear a small child with a shiny toy could manipulate him) However, if the battle were instantly joined, I'd agree that Anakin would hold his own an possibly win.

Even given that, somehow they still ended up fighting and in a fight just about any jedi would have an advantage over River. Anakin isn't even just any jedi. He's among the top in martial ability. Even with manipulation what could River possibly do to win the fight?

FLYVOTE

Friday, April 13, 2007 4:20 PM

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Actually they're both our universe.

You take this too seriously. But to refute your assertion above - The Star Wars universe is a fictitious universe set in the Firefly 'verse. There is visual evidence of a Star Wars toy in "The Message".

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FLATTOP

Friday, April 13, 2007 5:21 PM

River still wins.
Miticlorines(yeah, the spelling is way bad), are live little things that live in all things in Anakin's galaxy (GFFA). Anakin has the highest concentration of any creature ever tested (except Yoda?).
If they meet in GFFA, as soon as River meets Anakin, his mities abandon him for the much more interesting River. He has no powers & she has new ones. The visions & whatnot that the mities give her are easy for her to deal with because she's been having visions & intruding thoughts for a while now already.
If they meet in our galaxy, Anakin's mities abandon him to spread their goodness to our galaxy & Anakin is left 'powerless'. Sure he has a way cool sword that's extremely effective, but now he has merely human reflexes. River stomps him quicker than she did Jayne.

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NUMBER2

Saturday, April 14, 2007 11:22 PM

I understood the meaning of Star Wars, but you're nothing but wrong when you say that fire arms didn't exist in the SW universe. Certain clone troopers carried chain-guns. That fired bullets. That Jedi could block with their lightsabers. Though it may be for gameplay reasons, in Battlefront II you can block the chain gun just as easily as anything else. Its licensed by Lucas so it has to have some ounce of truth. Further more, its possible I'm wrong as I haven't watched in a while, but didn't the Sand People fire bullets from their rifles?

You're right when you say the Jedi were struck down by overwhelming fire power. However, River has two arms. I don't consider a max amount of two guns being fired anywhere near overwhelming.

Anakin may over estimate the force. But you seem to over estimate River. What is she going to do after the force rips the guns from her hands and she's choked by seemingly nothing? She can barely utter anything that people understand let alone call for help as she's being killed with little effort on Anakins side.

So that's all I have to say...there are firearms and they can be blocked. The training a Jedi receives is far greater than a girl turned into a psychotic weapon. Anakin wins. As would any young-ling who spent a few days at the Jedi temple.

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