Kind of wish I hadn't watched Angel (SPOILER)...

POSTED BY: altaira
UPDATED: Wednesday, March 28, 2007 10:52
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ALTAIRA

Friday, March 2, 2007 8:56 PM

I am very late to the JossVerse. I found Firefly, then Buffy and then, of course, HAD to watch Angel. I had only seen a few episodes of Buffy and Angel on TV, so it was mostly new to me.

I loved Firefly. (Well, except for River.) I loved Buffy. (Well, except for Dawn.) and I thought Angel was good, bordering on great. (Well, except for Fred. What is it with Joss and uber-annoying, shrill females???)

The last episode of Angel was so damn bleak, it made the whole journey seem pointless. It's like Angel and what was left of his crew had a death wish and didn't want to live anymore. One last fight. All die. All a waste.

Bleeeccchhhhh! I'm still depressed a week later!

CHRISISALL

Friday, March 2, 2007 9:18 PM

They mostly lived. And we would have seen it if not for the evil cancellation!

Let them continue in your heart Chrisisall

ESTHER

Friday, March 2, 2007 9:18 PM

You speak my thoughts! I had the same feeling.

I knew Angel a bit longer, but since the last two seasons never aired here (Germany) I finally decided to buy them via amazon.com and just watched the last episode a week ago.

I, too, was annoyed. I mean, Heroes die. OK. That's kind of what they do. Any great hero is partly defined by his way of dying. But this? To take out a bunch of figures, who had been introduced just a few episodes before? It felt, as if Joss had lost interest and wanted just do get over with the whole thing.

I mean, just compare it to the end of Buffy, where Spike died closing the hellmounth and killing houndreds of deamons. And now? He must have been really disappointed with his second "final death".

And Angel just signing away the thing, he had set his hope on for the last 3 seasons? Just in oder to take out, what, a POLITICIAN? He had deserved better then to end in Hell again (remember, when he returned from it in "Buffy"?). I mean, I could have accepted it, if he had turned human just shortly before dying, but this ...

Ahhh, I am just ... so ... grrrrr! (Argh!)

Esther

Love my captain!

AURAPTOR

Friday, March 2, 2007 10:18 PM

I also was late to the Jossverse, and had to back track Buffy and Angel to get myself all edumicated. I hope some can correct me, but Buffy ended pretty much as it was intended. The great lesson being taught. Not so w/ Angel. News of its cancellation caught the writers off guard, and they had to wrap things up earlier than expected.

Don't know what you have against River or Fred, but I found them to be adorable. Similar in some regards, but we've been through all that on another thread.

Dawn bothered me less than mini Carl Sagan....errr, Connor. But I didn't let either take away from the over all love for those shows.

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The last episode of Angel was so damn bleak, it made the whole journey seem pointless. It's like Angel and what was left of his crew had a death wish and didn't want to live anymore. One last fight. All die. All a waste.

Some did die, true. But not all. I suspect the big 3 still lived. Wes, we know dies. I'd not put $$ on Gunn making it either. Lorne probably ends up in some far flung lounge in the S.Pacific.

I know Connor came back to help Angel fight the Liaison, ( Adam ), but he doesn't stick around after that, does he ? I can't remember.

What's that saying " If nothing we do matters, than all that matters is what we do. " ? I think that's kinda the idea they went out on. They stood for what was good, and went out that.... doing what mattered most to them.

People love a happy ending. So every episode, I will explain once again that I don't like people. And then Mal will shoot someone. Someone we like. And their puppy. - Joss

" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "

DEWRASTLER

Friday, March 2, 2007 10:51 PM

I didn't like the ending when I first saw it either, but I've come to love it now that I've seen it a few times and had time to think about it. The whole idea of Angel is that there will always be Good and Evil in the world, but even when times get tough you can't give up. For the longest time Angel thinks he's fighting for atonement, but atonement isn't a one time thing. It's a way of life, and he had to fully embrace it. He wasn't fighting for the hope of being human, he was fighting for others. And in that fight, there is no end. That's why the world needs an immortal protector.

So the final episode of Angel ends in a fight because the fight never is over. Thats what the statement of the final episode is. Even when the world looks bleak and evil forces seem to control everything, there are still people out there who are willing to sacrifice all they have (like the hopes of being human) for others. If thats not a moving ending, I don't know what is.

The outcome of the fight wasn't important. Neither was who lived or died. What was important was that the good still fought, no matter what.

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DEEPGIRL187

Friday, March 2, 2007 11:12 PM

I loved the ending for Angel, personally, though it did have to grow on me. I think that it was the most fitting way for it to end given the team's circumstances. It may not be the happy ending that Buffy got, but Angel isn't meant to have a happy ending. And at least everyone went out doing something they believed in.

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SOLAN

Friday, March 2, 2007 11:13 PM

Yes, yes, I too would have prefered a better ending for Angel. And yet I cannot help to think of a poem by some fellow named Cooke by the name of "How did you die". Good one, that. I keep it my wallet ever since I found it years ago.

Every fear has a history.

DAVESHAYNE

Saturday, March 3, 2007 12:28 AM

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Originally posted by altaira:
One last fight. All die. All a waste.

Considering how much Joss likes to tear our hearts out by killing people we like I'd say there is every reason to believe that everybody we saw alive at the end of the episode survived the fight. Plus Spike's 'last day on earth' was great. It really gave him a lovely character arc as well as being classic mutant enemy misdirection.

David

"Not completely as well as the series of Firefly..." - From a review of Serenity at amazon.de

FUTUREMRSFILLION

Saturday, March 3, 2007 12:31 AM

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Originally posted by altaira:
I am very late to the JossVerse. I found Firefly, then Buffy and then, of course, HAD to watch Angel. I had only seen a few episodes of Buffy and Angel on TV, so it was mostly new to me.

I loved Firefly. (Well, except for River.) I loved Buffy. (Well, except for Dawn.) and I thought Angel was good, bordering on great. (Well, except for Fred. What is it with Joss and uber-annoying, shrill females???)

The last episode of Angel was so damn bleak, it made the whole journey seem pointless. It's like Angel and what was left of his crew had a death wish and didn't want to live anymore. One last fight. All die. All a waste.

Bleeeccchhhhh! I'm still depressed a week later!

I prefer to believe that everything from Darla having a baby on is just a bad dream.

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AURAPTOR

Saturday, March 3, 2007 5:55 AM

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I prefer to believe that everything from Darla having a baby on is just a bad dream.

Denialworksforme FMF

So, you're ok w/ Darla coming back and even getting knocked up, just not the post pregnancy part?

Even ok w/ Cordy's fugly hair ?

I'm just askin'.

People love a happy ending. So every episode, I will explain once again that I don't like people. And then Mal will shoot someone. Someone we like. And their puppy. - Joss

" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "

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