RE: Reagan the Hero- Iran/Contra; defend it if you can, NeoCon appologist morons!

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CAUSAL

Friday, February 23, 2007 1:52 PM

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Originally posted by rue:
Hilary ???!!!

You're joking, right?

Whoa, hold up a second. For the record, I'm not taking a side on the Reagan thing. I'm also post-Republican and almost completely post-conservative. I don't think W is the savior of us all, and I think the Iraq war was a horrible idea. Why do I say all that in response to a four-word post? Because I want you to be clear that I'm not coming into this with partisan motives.

My point isn't Hilary-as-such. It could also be Obama, or anybody else. My point was that it isn't just on the Republican side that there are people who blindly and unthinkingly follow the person their party tells them too. You, Rue, are much too intelligent to fall for any such nonsense, and I say that with utter sincerity--you've ably demonstrated your ability to think for yourself. But there are folks in red and blue who don't think for themselves. To wit: the students on campus walk around with Obama '08 buttons on their backpacks, but I doubt very much that they do so because they've investigated the mans policies, positions, and voting records. They do that because the local chapter of the College Democrats has officially endorsed Obama for the Democratic nom in '08. The point I wanted to make is that there are idealogues in both parties. There are blind followers on both sides of the aisle. It's not just Republican/conservatives who do that, it's people because people are morons.

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RUE

Friday, February 23, 2007 1:56 PM

Thanks for the explanation. It's just Hillary was SOOOO far off my mark anyway the choice made me go (scoobydoo) HHunhh ??!!!

CAUSAL

Friday, February 23, 2007 1:56 PM

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Originally posted by ShinyEd:
Tell ya what....much better to be a neocon apologist moron than a tree-hugging, terrorist-loving, know-nothing internet-educated naive fool retarded liberal....you all sound like you're contestants in Miss America pageant...." And my wish for Earth is world peace."....and I didn't even have to source that at Wikipedia!

Mmm...ad hominem...

Oh wait, shit, so is "moron." Oh, crap, what a mess we're in now...

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MEDFORDTIM

Friday, February 23, 2007 1:57 PM

Since movies are popular around here , might I suggest repeated viewings of Salvador and Under Fire as a way to shake the Reagan worship out of him? It won't work, but at least he'll watch a couple of great movies...

Anyway, that's what I think...

MT

CAUSAL

Friday, February 23, 2007 2:01 PM

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Originally posted by rue:
Great idea. Now if only you can get people to buy into it instead of image and counter image:
McCain - maverick
Kerry - flip-flopper
and so on ....

Well, I think this is part of the problem. American politics has become submerged in the ethos of Madison Avenue. We can't be bothered to really learn what candidates stand for, heavens no. We make a party affiliation based on lifestyle, like we choose Mac or PC, and then we say that that one represents us. So Dem or Rep becomes part of who we are, just like what kind of soda we drink or sneakers we wear. And then we really don't even have to think about who to vote for, because it's already been decided for us. And thanks to Madison-Avenue-style politics, we hear the candidates saying just the right things so that when we go pull that lever, we feel good about ourselves instead of feeling confidence in the candidate. And it is both sides that do this. So you've got nearly every American voter brand-loyal, and a narrow sliver in the middle that actually thinks about the issues. The rest have just bought into the BS. Just look at what's already happened in this thread:

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Big words coming from the side of discrimination and bigotry.

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There's so much that is base and low that the Left holds up , they don't know true goodness when they see it.

Come on, seriously: neither one of these statements are really true. But they sure as hell make great bumper stickers.

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RUE

Friday, February 23, 2007 2:03 PM

BTW so far I like Obama because of what he's said and done. I'd have to look it up but AFAIK he's sponsored literally hundreds of good bills in the Senate.

Hillary Clinton is a very popular Senator. But it isn't translating nationally. I suspect her Iraq war stance which gained her popularity in NYC is going to be a sea-anchor for her now. That I think is a case of short-term political expediency with long-term costs.

Oh, and thanks for the compliments.

CAUSAL

Friday, February 23, 2007 2:05 PM

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Originally posted by rue:
BTW so far I like Obama because of what he's said and done. I'd have to look it up but AFAIK he's sponsored literally hundreds of good bills in the Senate.

Hillary Clinton is a very popular Senator. But it isn't translating nationally. I suspect her Iraq war stance which gained her popularity in NYC is going to be a sea-anchor for her now. That I think is a case of short-term political expediency with long-term costs.

Oh, and thanks for the compliments.

You bet.

WRT Obama, I like him too, but I'm hesitant about his 2nd Amendment stance. He voted against a bill that I was very much in favor of. On the other hand, I'm trying not to be a single-issue voter. We'll see who emerges from the Republican pack.

Why, oh, why do we have to have a two-party system?

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RUE

Friday, February 23, 2007 2:11 PM

"Why, oh, why do we have to have a two-party system?" Well, ok. I haven't taken my Ritalin yet, so of course the first thing that popped into my head - and would have been out of my mouth if we were talking - was - " 'cause it's better than one party?" Followed immediately by "you can never have too many parties !" Which of course progresses the discussion not at all.

off the wall and need to climb back on ...

CAUSAL

Friday, February 23, 2007 2:14 PM

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Originally posted by rue:
"Why, oh, why do we have to have a two-party system?" Well, ok. I haven't taken my Ritalin yet, so of course the first thing that popped into my head - and would have been out of my mouth if we were talking - was - " 'cause it's better than one party?" Followed immediately by "you can never have too mnay parties !" Which of course progresses the discussion not at all.

Right, but it is amusing!

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RUE

Friday, February 23, 2007 2:18 PM

Yeah well, I just had a promotional interview. I was interviewed by three people who each stood up from behind the table, reached across, shook my hand and said "My name's ... from the ...." I had to really bite my tongue to not say "All right, gentlemen, will the real interviewer PLEASE stand up !"

(You have to be old enough to get that one.)

Then during the interview they proposed a difficult situation and asked what I would do. The FIRST thing that popped into my head, of course, was "you put your right hand in, you put your right hand out, you put your right hand in, and you shake it all about...."

And then later on they proposed another difficult situation and asked what I would do, only this time my actual first thought popped out - I said "whine for more people?"

Have I mentioned I get really inappropriate under stress?

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