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RE: Reagan the Hero- Iran/Contra; defend it if you can, NeoCon appologist morons!

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NEWOLDBROWNCOAT

Saturday, February 24, 2007 8:52 AM

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Originally posted by RocketJock:

Besides, as the saying goes, "You can tell a lot about a man by the enemies he makes"; judging by the way Fox News is grasping to find something to swiftboat the man with, he may just have my vote on general principal. So far, what they've come up with is:

1. His biological father was (gasp!) Muslim!

2. When he was a child, he attended four semesters in a (gasp!) Muslim school!

3. His middle name is (gasp!) Hussein!

4. He is a (gasp!) smoker! (Gasp, gasp, hack, cough, gasp again, wheeze...)

and, my favorite so far (drum roll please)...

5. He hasn't done enough for the black community. Which, coming from Fox News, is not so much a case of the pot calling the kettle black, as one of the china teapot calling the kettle too white...

Ya left one out- if ya accidentally ( on purpose ) commit a typo on his last anme, it comes out OSAMA...

SINGATE

Saturday, February 24, 2007 9:23 AM

Fuckin' A!

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CITIZEN

Saturday, February 24, 2007 10:35 AM

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Originally posted by BigDamnNobody:
From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran-Contra_Affair
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The report published by the Tower Commission, known as the Tower Commission Report, was delivered to the President on February 26, 1987. It criticized the actions of Oliver North, John Poindexter, Defense Secretary Caspar Weinberger and others. It did not determine that the President had knowledge of the extent of the program, although it argued that the President ought to have had better control of the National Security Council staff.

It's okay, He was only incompetent?

I can imagine the interview:
Interviewer: "So Mr President, how did you come up with you're administrations stances?"
Reagan: "Uhm, erm, err"
Nancy (whispering): "We're doing everything we can, dear."
Reagan: "Oh, yes erm, We're doing everything we can, dear."

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FREDGIBLET

Sunday, February 25, 2007 4:02 AM

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Originally posted by RiveR6213:
I say we take off and nuke the site from orbit. It's the only way to be sure...

If by "the site" you mean Earth, I mostly agree, but instead of nukes we should use biological weapons, less damage to the non-human life.

OLDENGLANDDRY

Sunday, February 25, 2007 8:13 AM

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Originally posted by oldenglanddry:
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Originally posted by AURaptor:

It sure would help matters if you could be less vague.
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"There is your enemy, My Lord. There are your Guns."

Probably does'nt help much does it?

"There are your enemy, my Lord ..etc..."
Atributed to Captain Lewis Nolan of the 11th Hussars as he misguidedly urged Lords Lucan and Cardigan to charge the light Brigade down the wrong valley at the battle of Balaclava, 1854.

In other words, well intentioned but completely wrong- ergo Reagan and AURAPTOR.

PIRATENEWS

Sunday, February 25, 2007 8:51 AM

Will Kill For Coke For The Bushes

The Iran-Contra Wiki article censored the fact that the Christic lawsuit used the RICO Act on the Bush Sr White House, and named Bush and his CIA gang as cocaine kingpins and terrorist bombers, and that the lawsuit named Pablo Escobar as Bush's partner and co-defendant. The case was subverted by corrupt federal judges, who banned virtually all discovery in the civil lawsuit, then dismissed the case 2 days before the jury trial, to obstruct justice and perp treason for the Bush Gang. It's also hard to win when witnesses and defendants get murdered. Note that this CIA terror bombings of the La Penca press conference was designed to kill a CIA CONTRA Eden Pastora, not to kill a Communist in the official Sandanista govt. The CIA's bombing ended up killing and injuring journalists from ABC News in USA.

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"'Enterprise' means any individual, sole proprietorship, partnership, corporation, business trust, union chartered under the laws of this state, or other legal entity, or any unchartered union, association or group of individuals associated in fact although not a legal entity, and it includes illicit as well as licit enterprises, AND GOVERNMENTAL, as well as other, entities."
—Tennessee Code 39-12-203, Racketeer-Influenced and Corrupt Organizations RICO Act

At any rate, it did lead to felony convictions for members of the Bush sr White House, and Bush lost the 1992 "election", after Ross Perot quit because Bush planned to murder his family at his daughter's wedding. But Bill Clinton-Blythe III (Rockefeller) was his coke partner at Bush's CIA airport in Mena Arkansas.

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"The court finds the actions of the government to be most egregious, indeed appalling."
-Judge Patrick Kelly, Midland Nat. Bank v. Conlogue

Midland Nat. Bank v. Conlogue
720 F.Supp. 878
D.Kan.,1989.
Aug. 4, 1989

CIA cocaine aircraft chased by US Customs and sank in the ocean, so CIA bank and CIA insurance corp sued each other to pay for their doper aircraft. Govt lawyers admitted in court, on the public record, that Uncle Scam knowingly and deliberately imported cocaine into USA.
www.geocities.com/iran_contra_christic_institute

My dad was on the Dream Team of 100 lawyers suing the Bush Sr White House to start Iran-Contra. He took the deposition of US ambassador Lewis Tambs, who was expelled by Costa Rica for using the US emabassy for CIA narcotics trafficking. He refuses to talk about that case now. When I asked to read some of his historic files, such as public court records, he hired a tractor-trailer shredder truck instead.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christic_Institute

Now my dad's on the trillion-dollar dream team sueing Saudi members of Bush & Queen's Carlyle Group for perping the 9/11 terrorist massacres. The Saudi royals and Bin Laden's are defended by Carlyle's counsel James Baker III, who currently has an office in the Jr Bush White House.
www.september11classaction.com/team.html

But the 9/11 victim plaintiffs believe the Bush Gang perped the terror massacres, not the Saudis:

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www.911pressfortruth.com

Our goal has NEVER been to get Bin Laden."
— General Richard Myers, chairman, US joint chiefs of staff at Pentagon, 9/11 Press for Truth
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5589099104255077250

“The U.S. government has consistently blamed me for being behind every occasion its enemies attack it. I would like to assure the world that I did NOT plan the recent attacks, which seems to have been planned by people for personal reasons. I have been living in the Islamic emirate of Afghanistan and following its leaders’ rules. The current leader does not allow me to exercise such operations.”
—Usama bin Laden, CNN, "Bin Laden says he wasn't behind attacks," September 17, 2001
http://archives.cnn.com/2001/US/09/16/inv.binladen.denial/

“We've NEVER made th

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WHODIED

Sunday, February 25, 2007 9:57 PM

Did the Bushies secretly hijack this thread as well?

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CITIZEN

Sunday, February 25, 2007 10:34 PM

PirateNews rapes children.

We report, you decide.

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CANTTAKESKY

Monday, February 26, 2007 6:31 AM

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Originally posted by Fremdfirma:
Your tax dollars at work, folks.

As for why Chavez hates us, and why his own people adore his lambasting of us ?

It's not just Chavez either.

Our meddling enablement of some of the most oppressive people/governments on earth has people hating America everywhere. Fortunately, most of those folks can distinguish between American govt and American people, and do not hold us personally accountable for the evil deeds of our govt. (They wouldn't want to be held accountable for the evil deeds of theirs.)

But here's where it gets complicated. It isn't just our tax dollars that enable dictators. Private charity donations are often skimmed or robbed entirely by those dictators. Then, sometimes they DO blame the American people.

My hub was in a restaurant in Tanzania once, when an Ethiopian saw him and suddenly jumped on him. My hub defended himself, and finally got to talk to this guy. It turns out that the guy's family has just been killed, by warlords who bought new arms with money donated through some "Save the Ethiopians" charity concert. Boy, he hated Americans. My hub had to explain that he never donates to charity, and the guy was ok after that.

At the risk of being called an isolationist (I don't like that label because I do believe in lots of cultural exchange and trade), I do think the best thing to do in most situations is to leave other countries alone. Good fences make good neighbors.

And Reagan was an ass. Every single president we've ever had was an ass, esp. in the last century.

Can't Take My Gorram Sky

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Nullius in verba. (Take nobody's word.)

OLDENGLANDDRY

Monday, February 26, 2007 11:45 AM

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Originally posted by citizen:
PirateNews rapes children.

We report, you decide.

That's rather harsh, and he speaks of you so highly.