All you righties can toast to the Iraq War success. Oh...no you can't.

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CHRISISALL

Tuesday, February 6, 2007 8:59 PM

http://www.countercurrents.org/iraq-polya070207.htm

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The "post-invasion excess death rate/1000 of population" was 13.3 - 5.5 = 7.8 (Comparison A) or 13.3 - 4.0 = 9.3 (Comparison B). Assuming an average population of 27 million, the "post-invasion excess deaths" total (over 4 years i.e. as of February 2007) (A) 7.8 x 2,700 x 4 = 842,000 and (B) 9.3 x 2,700 x 4 = 1,004,400 i.e. ONE MILLION.

One Million.
Is that it?
Can we go home now?

Magic number Chrisisall

OLDENGLANDDRY

Tuesday, February 6, 2007 10:06 PM

Does Mr / Mrs one million get a prize?
Maybe Walmart vouchers.

CAUSAL

Tuesday, February 6, 2007 10:11 PM

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Originally posted by chrisisall:
http://www.countercurrents.org/iraq-polya070207.htm
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The "post-invasion excess death rate/1000 of population" was 13.3 - 5.5 = 7.8 (Comparison A) or 13.3 - 4.0 = 9.3 (Comparison B). Assuming an average population of 27 million, the "post-invasion excess deaths" total (over 4 years i.e. as of February 2007) (A) 7.8 x 2,700 x 4 = 842,000 and (B) 9.3 x 2,700 x 4 = 1,004,400 i.e. ONE MILLION.

One Million.
Is that it?
Can we go home now?

Magic number Chrisisall

"Righties"? That's more partisan than I'm used to for you, Chris. Why not just "war supporters?" Not to get into too much philosopher speak, but the set of conservatives is not co-extensive with the set of war-supporters. Heck, I'd say I'm right of center (although not too much), but I'm not exactly an ardent defender of the war.

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CAUSAL

Tuesday, February 6, 2007 10:13 PM

Mmm...double post-y goodness.

MALBADINLATIN

Tuesday, February 6, 2007 10:35 PM

The British tried to civilize Iraq and stayed there from 1919 through 1961! The longer the Brits stayed, the more unstable the government became.

Imagine that, same thing is happening to us! The right wing machine is using the argument that if we leave, all hell will break loose and we will be in more danger. Even the lefties are buying it! Talk about thinkin were all that!

over 1,000,000 huh, it IS time to go home. It's like a relationship that's gone bad, the sooner you end it, the sooner the healing can begin.

CHRISISALL

Tuesday, February 6, 2007 10:46 PM

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Originally posted by Causal:
"Righties"? That's more partisan than I'm used to hearing from you, Chris.

Just trying to be on the edge here, all inflamatory and such...
Liberal Libertarian myself- that puts me to the right of your average leftie, don't it?

It's just with a numero that grande (1 MILL) I want to get a lot of attention to it...see if that's the number that we all feel is enough or whether we need more dead.

Hero?

Chrisisall

GEEZER

Tuesday, February 6, 2007 10:57 PM

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Originally posted by chrisisall:
One Million.
Is that it?
Can we go home now?

Iraq Body Count only shows between 55,664 and 61,369. http://www.iraqbodycount.org/ Looks like we got a ways to to if we can't quit until a Mil.

"Keep the Shiny side up"

CAUSAL

Tuesday, February 6, 2007 11:14 PM

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Originally posted by chrisisall:
It's just with a numero that grande (1 MILL) I want to get a lot of attention to it...see if that's the number that we all feel is enough or whether we need more dead.

I'd be curious what kind of timetable you think would be good. Although I am certainly no proponent of open-ended commitment, I also fear the potential consequences of an immediate and total pull-out. What say you?

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KHYRON

Tuesday, February 6, 2007 11:59 PM

There's no good option, there's just bad and worse. Bad would be phased withdrawal. The other option would be worse.

The best argument against democracy is a five minute conversation with the average voter.

CAUSAL

Wednesday, February 7, 2007 12:13 AM

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Originally posted by Khyron:
There's no good option, there's just bad and worse. Bad would be phased withdrawal. The other option would be worse.

I tend to agree here. I think that the Bush administration has the right idea: leave Iraq with a functional government and capable military and law enforcement entities. But they're not exactly getting that done, and I can't see any effective way to make it happen. So what then?

I've been cooking up a post for RWED, but here's the Cliff's notes: the 9/11 terrorists started life as Islamic mujahedin fighting against a major world power (the Soviets) in Afghanistan. They learned guerilla and light infantry tactics, terrorist methodology and rudimentary intelligence field craft. When the Soviets withdrew, they were left with an essentially ungoverned country in which they could organize and train as they pleased. They gradually radicalized (under the guidance of Bin Ladin's particular brand of Wahhabism) and started fighting elsewhere (most notably Bosnia and Chechnya). They refined their techniques and ultimately got to the point where they could execute large-scale and higly intricate operations (embassy bombings in Kenya and Tanzania, USS Cole, the assassination of Ahmed Shah Massoud, and ultimately 9/11). In the post-9/11 era we've certainly killed and captured a number of high-level terrorists. But when we invaded Iraq (essentially kicking off an unprovoked aggressive war), there was a new round of radicalizing, and foreign fighters poured into Iraq (in a way they never did in the post-9/11 war in Afghanistan). So now we have a situation where a radicalized group of Islamic mujahedin (among others, granted) is learning to fight against a major world power (the US). Is this sounding familiar? So essentially, the people who are smart enough and tough enough to survive this war are going to be the ones who organize, equip, train and deployed the next generation of terrorists. And it's basically too late to stop that from happening. The best we can really hope for is to leave Iraq in the hands of a stable government so that at least they'll be denied one sanctuary (not that it matters, there are plenty of other places they can go).

So--not such a rosy outlook, regardless of how the Iraq war shakes out, because basically: damage done.

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