All you righties can toast to the Iraq War success. Oh...no you can't.
POSTED BY: chrisisall
UPDATED: Saturday, March 28, 2026 18:21
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Hi all,
How do we count enemy bodies in a war, anyway?
I mean, if a gunship toasts a column of vehicles, is there some guy whose job it is to sift through the charred remains, match arms and legs to torsos, and tag and number them?
If we blow up a building full of enemies, do we perform a World Trade Center style forensic examination of the remains to determine who and how many died?
That seems more methodical than a war is likely to allow.
I get the feeling it's more like, "There was probably ten or fifteen of 'em boys in that there hotel we just axed."
Or, to paraphrase a Cyberpunk role playing game book excerpt:
"Right Leg in Gutter.... Torso in Gutter... Left Leg in Gutter... Right arm in Gutter... Head in intersex... Head in Intersek... Inter... Oh, hell with it! *Boot* Head in Gutter."
-- Night City Crime Scene Investigator, filling out crime scene report.
--Anthony
"Liberty must not be purchased at the cost of Humanity." --Captain Robert Henner
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Slick, "Iraq Body Count only shows between 55,664 and 61,369." For crying out loud, that metric was debunked years ago. Jeez, give it up already.
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Originally posted by chrisisall:
One Million.
Is that it?
Can we go home now?
I thought most of the post war casualties are due to sectarian violence. It seems a little too easy to blame Bush for those. While the war most certainly affected the stability of Iraq, It's not the root cause of the sectarian strife.
The article keeps refrencing the UN's site on world population but I'm having difficulty drawing the same conclusions from the site's information that Dr. Polya does. And the zealous partisan slant of the article does not help either such as the following quotes (taken from http://www.countercurrents.org/iraq-polya070207.htm).
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Three quarters of the people of Occupied Iraq and Occupied Afghanistan are Women and Children – the Bush War on Terror is in horrible reality a cowardly War on Women and Children, a War on Asian Women and Children and a War on Muslim Women and Children.
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and the carnage is largely due to gross, war criminal Occupier violation of the Geneva Conventions which demand that Occupiers do everything within their power to keep their Conquered Subjects ALIVE
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Those primarily responsible for the carnage of the Iraqi Holocaust and the Afghan Holocaust - Bush, Blair, Dr Rice (Dr Death) and their Coalition and NATO confreres such as Australia’s Howard and Canada’s Harper - should be arraigned and tried before the International Criminal Court as demanded by 2005 Literature Nobel Laureate Harold Pinter
Remember, disinformation can go both ways.
Posting to stir stuff up.
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Originally posted by rue:
Slick, "Iraq Body Count only shows between 55,664 and 61,369." For crying out loud, that metric was debunked years ago. Jeez, give it up already.
Yep. We should instead trust a count in an article that begins, "It is nearly the Fourth Anniversary of the illegal Anglo-American-Australian-Coalition invasion of Iraq. What has been the economic and human cost of Bush’s Iraq War?".
Anybody with a different agenda will have a different way of figuring the economic and human cost of the war. Do you (editorial "you") just want us out of Iraq and screw the Iraqis? Do you just want Bush & Co. embarrassed? Do you want the Iraqis to have some chance at a decent life? Each scenario will lead you to fudge the figures one way or another to support your point.
"Keep the Shiny side up"
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is there some guy whose job it is to sift through the charred remains, match arms and legs to torsos, and tag and number them?
Yes, Graves Registration, MOS 92M10.
They're the poor sodders they send out to scrape together maybe enough of you to bury, and while they don't do an exact count that I know of, if possible, on occasion they give us a quick eyeball estimate of how many of the enemy faceplanted, not to mention intel guys sifting through the wreckage for items of intelligence value.
So generally theres a fairly accurate assessment, and it's a grisly job indeed, so if you ever get to meet a 92M buy him a drink, willya ?
-Frem
It cannot be said enough, those who do not learn from history, are doomed to endlessly repeat it
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why would we set up a 'democracy' in Iraq? our model, if we can agree that its successfull(prior to NWO corruption) WAS a republic.. and our founders understood that democracy was mob rule, plain and simple. i think the whole topic is highly suspicious in itself.. if most Americans dont even realize that we're supposed to be a republic, and not a democracy, then we should consider that maybe we are fighting a war which is superimposing (particularly liberal)socialism onto the sovereign people of Iraq. our constitution forbids these kind of foreign, preemptive entanglements, and under a republic the constitution would be inalterable; but obviously the constitution doesnt apply to everyone anymore, which is evidence enough that we are further along the road of socialism that any red blooded American of the past EVER would have tolerated(minus the last 80yrs of diception). these communist and socialist principles, which have infested both the political parties.. are being funded and implemented by our own central banks, who admittedly want a New World Order, by "conquest or consent".. in their own words
i noticed 6stringjack illuded to this in another thread, but the womens liberation movement is a good insight into the NWOs mindset, and essential intentions for Iraq. in order to break up the culture of family unity, morality, conservatism etc, the Rockefellers funded the Womens Lib movement in AMerica, in order to tax women, because before this roughly half the population was (tax)FREE.. and to take the mother out of the household as a catalyst to dismantle traditional family ethics, allowing the state to more thoroughly indoctrinate the masses, who could be put in school now at a younger age. in America, the Rockefeller, Ford and Carnagie foundations used the creation of the 'space race' to allow the federal government to infiltrate local and state schools. the Reese committee reported that they found evidence that these institutions deliberately funded socialist/communist/secular humanist idealogies throughout the curriculum
that is treasonous.. and now we're doing the same thing in Iraq, letting these corrupt forces attack their personal sovereignty, just as ours has been. so in the fog of all the media/establishment doublespeak and progaganda, this NWO agenda is progressing.. and people need to accept that its real, that human personal sovereignty is at stake the world over, which is the real war being fought(against us).. and we're letting the elite have there way, instead of waking up and seeing the crimes that are being committed, and flaunted in our faces by the establishments
there was a time in America, specifically in the south west in the 19th century, when it was lawful to have duels! people just went outside and settled disputes that way, if they chose; and the consitituion allowed it, because men were regarded as sovereign beings. this isnt the case anymore.. and now we're getting into microchips and stuff like that, people ought to know that this isnt by accident, but by design, and that goal, by which the 'end justifies the means', is a global government, microchipped population, with a class of elite ruling over the reduced mass of serfs
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Slick, how about the Lancet's figures of 660,000? Much closer to 1Mil than your 60,000. But hey, you apparently want to dicker numbers rather than talk about the topic, right?
"Anybody with a different agenda will have a different way of figuring the economic and human cost of the war. Do you (editorial "you") just want us out of Iraq and screw the Iraqis? Do you just want Bush & Co. embarrassed? Do you want the Iraqis to have some chance at a decent life? Each scenario will lead you to fudge the figures one way or another to support your point."
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Originally posted by rue:
Slick, how about the Lancet's figures of 660,000? Much closer to 1Mil than your 60,000. But hey, you apparently want to dicker numbers rather than talk about the topic, right?
This topic?
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One Million.
Is that it?
Can we go home now?
Seems like discussing how widely casualty figures vary, depending on who constructs them and how, is pretty valid to this topic. The range seems to be from (a. just those who died of direct coalition action to (b. everybody who has died in the country, plus all expatriate Iraqis who have died, since the imposition of sanctions. The numbers derived from these exercises are, unfortunately, meaningless, because they've been kidnapped by true believers on all sides.
"Keep the Shiny side up"
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Yes, I know, it's a tried and true technique - confuse people with pointless non-issues and then say there is no truth anywhere.
The Lancet's figures were derived using the same techniques as those used for the tsunami, famines and other conflicts and disasters around the world. They are as valid as you will get.
So no matter if you say it's 660,000 (as of several months ago) or 1 mil it's a hell of a lot of people. At a minimum it's an order of magnitude more than your completely bogus numbers.
And that's the truth.
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The Lancet's figures were derived using the same techniques as those used for the tsunami, famines and other conflicts and disasters around the world. They are as valid as you will get.
And the Iraq Body Count folks will say their numbers are as valid as you can get, and so will the folks who came up with the 1 million.
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So no matter if you say it's 660,000 (as of several months ago) or 1 mil it's a hell of a lot of people. At a minimum it's an order of magnitude more than your completely bogus numbers.
My point is that all the numbers are bogus.
And even if everybody, from all sides, agreed on a methodology and came up with a number they were all happy with, what then? If we agreed that as of 12:00 AM GMT today 66,213, or 632,159, or 2,341,657 people died in excess of normal mortality in Iraq, what does that mean?
"Keep the Shiny side up"
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