Firefly Sets Yet Another Record!

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CITIZEN

Monday, January 29, 2007 7:01 PM

*Yawn*

You're worse than AURaptor. Needless to say none of your baseless accusations are worth refuting, and in fact the only people who bought data to this discussion were myself, Razza and Sigma, you're inabillity to recognise that which you do not want to see is entirely your own problem.

Continue to troll and call me names, I will not reply again, because all you are doing is proving me right.

More insane ramblings by the people who brought you beeeer milkshakes!
No one can see their reflection in running water. It is only in still water that we can see.

PONGLUVER

Monday, January 29, 2007 9:42 PM

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Originally posted by citizen:
I will not reply again, because all you are doing is proving me right.

Promises, Promises. Thats what you said last time.

Your ignorance is marvelous.

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none of your baseless accusations are worth refuting

Admits he has no intent to discuss anything he doesn't agree with.

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in fact the only people who bought data to this discussion were myself, Razza and Sigma, you're inabillity to recognise that which you do not want to see is entirely your own problem

First it is inability and recognize. If you are going to try and sound smart, at least spell the words right. Second, I believe I brought data from ACTUAL renowned journalistic sources. You fellows brought 7 year old bias data on the music industry that was completely irrelevant. However, that would hinder your argument so I see why you keep ignoring that.

YOU keep calling me a troll, yet here you go acting like a victim again.

It suddenly occurs to me why Joss doesn't post here regularly like at Whedonesque and Bronzebeta. If he had to put up with such Mental Retardation he would probably retire.

CITIZEN

Monday, January 29, 2007 11:43 PM

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Originally posted by Razza:
I looked over my posts and his again, and the only one of us who has engaged in personal attacks is him.

Don't you just love being right? Ignorant, mentally retarded, spelling corrections (some of which are wrong). Man I'm an oracle for this stuff I swear.

Anyway, I've said what I want, you or Sigma want to weigh in? Jack? Dead topic?

EDIT: Some of which are wrong because 'Z' is americanised spellings, 'S' is British, which also means original English, so technically more correct, being English rather than Americanese, and this being an English speaking board...

Only Trolls use petty spelling corrections IsAll...

More insane ramblings by the people who brought you beeeer milkshakes!
No one can see their reflection in running water. It is only in still water that we can see.

PONGLUVER

Tuesday, January 30, 2007 6:09 AM

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spelling corrections (some of which are wrong)

i knew it was too good to be true.

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you're inabillity to recognise that which....

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Dictionary.com Unabridged (v 1.1)
in·a·bil·i·ty /ˌɪnəˈbɪlɪti/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[in-uh-bil-i-tee] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
–noun
lack of ability; lack of power, capacity, or means: his inability to make decisions.

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rec·og·nize /ˈrɛkəgˌnaɪz/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[rek-uhg-nahyz] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
–verb (used with object), -nized, -niz·ing.
1. to identify as something or someone previously seen, known, etc.: He had changed so much that one could scarcely recognize him.
2. to identify from knowledge of appearance or characteristics: I recognized him from the description. They recognized him as a fraud.
3. to perceive as existing or true; realize: to be the first to recognize a fact.

Both correct revisions my friend. Christ, there is a spell checker, use it.

To get back on subject. Nobody answered my question. How pirating a 20 gig movie file would help the dvd sales. Considering most sane people wont risk a virus on their HD from a film they might hate, while taking up 25% of their HD space.

OHSM333

Wednesday, January 31, 2007 3:50 AM

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Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
Whatever man... I was waiting for the haters to come out.

If anything this will bring more people to us and they'll see that maybe there's still a chance to buy the show to see more. That's what happened to me. I did the same thing with Arrested Development. I had already downloaded the first two seasons of that show, but when I found out FUX was going to cancell it, I dropped $60.00 on their website that I didn't need to drop on the DVDs. Sure, not everyone who downloads it is going to buy it, but it's still a higher percentage of people who would have had they'd never seen it at all. It's rather like cold calling in that regards, although this is free advertizing and it's a product that people will want. This technology is here to stay. Hackers will always find workarounds.

Don't be an Alliance-bot.

I'm not getting into another argument about the virtues of Piracy and just how wrong your train of thought is and how Alliance-like you sound when you say such things as I've been over this all before.

I think it's a beautiful thing that the only "real-life" pirates left in this world chose Serenity to be their flagship "F YOU!" to DRM, HDDVD, BlueRay and the MPAA in this, the next round of entertainment butchering.

Can't stop the signal bro.

Just for you, here's a little bump on the thread.

CMOTD - There has never been any evidence that the ability to download movies or music online has reduced the number of DVDs or CDs of quality goods in the stores. (read: QUALITY goods)

If the CD's only have one good song on them, that's a different story altogether and those Artists are getting screwed by legal downloading vendors such as ITunes just as much as illegal sites. Who is going to drop $16.00 on a CD when they can pay $0.99 for a song. Anything the RIAA or MPAA has said about piracy has nothing to do with them looking out for the interests of the artists. This is just a ploy to guilt people into buying 14 crap songs to get the one good one you were looking for to help their bottom line. They figured out that it wasn't working so they turned on their own artists they supposedly cared so much about and started selling their songs for a buck a piece.

Piracy gives you a choice to support what you really like. Piracy of CDs and DVDs is like giving people a vote as to what they like and support. If they really are a fan of Firefly/Serenity, they will buy a copy of the show/movie. If not, then I don't want them spending money on something they think is crap after they have plunked down the money and watched it. Wouldn't that just be fodder for negative feedback of this great show?

Don't kid yourself... though we love this show, there will always be haters.

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You're right, more often than not the piracy appears to help to get people to buy a movie or show, rather than take no interest in it at all. What got me started on Firefly was the movie, although I didn't get to go see it in theaters I remembered it a year or so later and downloaded it offline. Then I was extremely curious to know the rest of the story and then went on to download the series. And yes, both were illegal. But I ended up loving them both so much that I wanted to get them on DVD, to do what little I could to support Firefly and Serenity and to have the real, concrete copies of them. I also wanted the special features, usually illegal downloads don't have them. Since I didn't have the money to buy the movie when I liked that, then the show's DVDs when I liked those even more, I kept my downloads and watched them repeatedly until I could afford to buy the movie and I got someone else to buy me the DVDs as a gift. Now, because I originally illegally downloaded the movie, I have both sitting on my desk and I just finished watching an episode of the show from the DVD. So t

TENTHCREWMEMBER

Saturday, February 17, 2007 7:20 PM

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To get back on subject. Nobody answered my question. How pirating a 20 gig movie file would help the DVD sales. Considering most sane people wont risk a virus on their HD from a film they might hate, while taking up 25% of their HD space.

For the same reason cassette tapes and copying music back then INCREASED sales tenfold, despite the industry's claims to the opposite. The more people are able to share their interests with others, the more likely the others will buy said interest for a) sense of ownership of something WORTH owning and b) to support the QUALITY product in the hopes of being able to own MORE of it in the future.

Cassettes and "mix tapes" did not kill the music industry, even though their execs wanted us to believe that, and DVD rips will NOT kill DVD sales. They will only increase the sales as MORE people become exposed to something they didn't know before.

Ai ya, it is the best advertising you can do. It's like word-of-mouth with tangibility!

And if you (whoever you may be reading this) don't believe that, then you are ignoring history, which has proven to repeat itself, and frankly, that leaves you in a class with small-minded FOX executives...no wait, even THEY saw the value of illegal copies of their canceled show being sold, and thus released the DVD box set of Firefly, and made a small mint. So I guess you'll be left alone on some piece of crap moon with your idealistic fantasies about sharing information and putting things in public domain...

"If ignorance is bliss, then you're the happiest person in the universe."

BWAH!

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ZAB0TAGE

Saturday, February 17, 2007 11:51 PM

At the end of the day arguing about weather it helps or hinders Joss, Universal or Fox, or any other contributer is pointless, for me, it comes down having morals. If you do happen to download the show and enjoy it, get off your coke drinking, fast food eating ass and buy it. Nothing anyone says or moans about on these boards is gonna make a yellow snows worth of difference to either the Bit-Torrent sites or the powers that be behind the tv/movie making business.

PONGLUVER

Sunday, February 18, 2007 7:52 AM

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Originally posted by TenthCrewMember:
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To get back on subject. Nobody answered my question. How pirating a 20 gig movie file would help the DVD sales. Considering most sane people wont risk a virus on their HD from a film they might hate, while taking up 25% of their HD space.

For the same reason cassette tapes and copying music back then INCREASED sales tenfold, despite the industry's claims to the opposite. The more people are able to share their interests with others, the more likely the others will buy said interest for a) sense of ownership of something WORTH owning and b) to support the QUALITY product in the hopes of being able to own MORE of it in the future.

Cassettes and "mix tapes" did not kill the music industry, even though their execs wanted us to believe that, and DVD rips will NOT kill DVD sales. They will only increase the sales as MORE people become exposed to something they didn't know before.

Ai ya, it is the best advertising you can do. It's like word-of-mouth with tangibility!

And if you (whoever you may be reading this) don't believe that, then you are ignoring history, which has proven to repeat itself, and frankly, that leaves you in a class with small-minded FOX executives...no wait, even THEY saw the value of illegal copies of their canceled show being sold, and thus released the DVD box set of Firefly, and made a small mint. So I guess you'll be left alone on some piece of crap moon with your idealistic fantasies about sharing information and putting things in public domain...

"If ignorance is bliss, then you're the happiest person in the universe."

only problem with that comparison is that we are talking about completely different quality of formats. Mix Tape Cassettes and Digital Music are not near the same quality. When contemplating stealing something you are no going to settle for crap which what Cassette Rips were, hence people bought the music anyways. However with the high quality of music/movie rips in the digital age as compared to the analog age you are referring to, will please someone FAR more. Nice try at being witty though with your long winded closing remarks.

btw, i thought this thread was dead, whats with the sudden interest in reviving it without adding anything new?

TENTHCREWMEMBER

Sunday, February 18, 2007 7:11 PM

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Originally posted by pongluver:
only problem with that comparison is that we are talking about completely different quality of formats. Mix Tape Cassettes and Digital Music are not near the same quality. When contemplating stealing something you are no going to settle for crap which what Cassette Rips were, hence people bought the music anyways. However with the high quality of music/movie rips in the digital age as compared to the analog age you are referring to, will please someone FAR more. Nice try at being witty though with your long winded closing remarks.

btw, i thought this thread was dead, whats with the sudden interest in reviving it without adding anything new?

And it's folk like you who just don't get it. I'm not talking about TECHNICAL quality here, I'm talking about ARTISTIC quality. If it is good enough for like minded folk, they will go and buy it. It is really that simple.

AS FOR the "dead" and "reviving", well it was posted on the home page here, and there was a question was left unanswered. I tried to put into perspective that could be understood, since it wasn't clearly explained to at least one individual.

If you don't like the thread, don't read it, and certainly don't comment on it, otherwise you'll be reading more statements you don't like.

I seriously doubt that Homer (and NOT Simpson...) was upset that other folks were sharing the Odyssey and the Illiad. Nor would William Shakespeare have tried to sue a school for studying Romeo & Juliet with a copy of the script.

But it's all about the gold, that almighty dollar, the cashy money, isn't it? It isn't about quality of life, and sharing something special with friends, is it?

Try opening your mind and look at the bigger picture. And for the record, I own NO illegally downloaded movies or music (just sayin' for them that need told). Doesn't mean I think it is right or wrong for anybody else to do the same. I was simply showing you something you clearly fail to still see.

Not everything in the 'verse is black or white.
Sometimes it is simply high-middle excitement...
;)

Keep Flyin'!

BWAH!

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PONGLUVER

Monday, February 19, 2007 12:51 AM

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Originally posted by TenthCrewMember:
And it's folk like you who just don't get it. I'm not talking about TECHNICAL quality here, I'm talking about ARTISTIC quality. If it is good enough for like minded folk, they will go and buy it. It is really that simple.

AS FOR the "dead" and "reviving", well it was posted on the home page here, and there was a question was left unanswered. I tried to put into perspective that could be understood, since it wasn't clearly explained to at least one individual.

If you don't like the thread, don't read it, and certainly don't comment on it, otherwise you'll be reading more statements you don't like.

I seriously doubt that Homer (and NOT Simpson...) was upset that other folks were sharing the Odyssey and the Illiad. Nor would William Shakespeare have tried to sue a school for studying Romeo & Juliet with a copy of the script.

But it's all about the gold, that almighty dollar, the cashy money, isn't it? It isn't about quality of life, and sharing something special with friends, is it?

Try opening your mind and look at the bigger picture. And for the record, I own NO illegally downloaded movies or music (just sayin' for them that need told). Doesn't mean I think it is right or wrong for anybody else to do the same. I was simply showing you something you clearly fail to still see.

Not everything in the 'verse is black or white.
Sometimes it is simply high-middle excitement...
;)

You are not talking about technical quality, but that is a very important factor you are ignoring. Just left to art form, then yeah, none of that is likely to hurt sales of any kind. However the majority of the population/pirates give a crap about art. The technical quality is what makes them, THE MAJORITY, more likely NOT to buy the pirated material.

Not everything is black and white no, but stealing IS stealing.

You never answered the question either. You just pulled a Citizen. Some rough arguments about the music industry 20 years ago and danced around the real question with some ideological, 15 year old, angst ridden crap.

THE QUESTION:
How pirating a 20 gig movie file would help the dvd sales?

Your rant about cassette mix tapes does not come close to answering that. The few things you mentioned that actually pertained to the discussion have been argued already. So thats why i asked why it was revived without adding ANYTHING NEW. Try to read everything buddy. Let's not waste the adults time unless you actually have something to add.

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