Abortion
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And still evading direct questions...
When did Cartoon become Hero?
"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."
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Quote:That's Cartoon's stock-in-trade.
And still evading direct questions...
Apropos of babies' development, I thought this was interesting: "Babies," he says, "know squat."
www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1580382,00.html
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Reality sucks. Especially when it contradicts our cherished ideas.
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Originally posted by SignyM:
Do you have any arguments to refute that? Any other studies? And comments by the authors themselves on how they might have corrected for that? ... Any studies which- for example- show better development and more intact personalities when presumed fetal "pain" is controlled? Any comments on the mechanism of pain? Any insight on fetal EEGs? Comparative anatomy?
Studies which will meet the only criteria accepted by this group -- from atheistic, liberal, pro-abortion, anti-American sources? No.
I imagine that even if one could produce a speaking, fully-educated fetus who solemnly swore that it felt "pain", there would still be those in this forum who would claim that the fetus was biased, and summarily dismiss its testimony.
Given the apparent, omniscient attributes of many of the posters in this group, it seems rather pointless to even try.
After all, your sources are all right, and mine are all wrong.
You win.
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Quote:No, I mean ANY medical or scientific source. Or... use your brain. We have one medical source saying one thing. We have another medical source saying something else. Where is the consensus? Or- if you don't think "consensus" is a valid measure of truth (after all, a people have been wrong en masse before)- where are the facts and the logic to tie them together? It IS an area of ongoing discussion- certainly not settled by any means. After all, it wasn't too long ago that anesthesia wasn't administered to babies during circumcision because it was thought that babies didn't "feel pain" either. Now we know they recover faster without that trauma. (One has to wonder about the pain of being born... but I digress) Have you googled the topic? Hey, I'm trying to help you out by suggesting some avenues of investigation. But don't expect me to do the whole thing for you- this is YOUR point, after all!
Studies which will meet the only criteria accepted by this group -- from atheistic,liberal, pro-abortion, anti-American sources? No.
I imagine that even if one could produce a speaking, fully-educated fetus who solemnly swore that it felt "pain", there would still be those in this forum who would claim that the fetus was biased, and summarily dismiss its testimony.
Given the apparent, omniscient attributes of many of the posters in this group, it seems rather pointless to even try.
After all, your sources are all right, and mine are all wrong.
BTW- have you given up on the New Zealand study?
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I can only guess that Cartoon is outta this thread.
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We shouldn't overlook the power of the "lizard brain" in generating behavior.
Up to and including message board posts...
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People (normal ones) are programmed to respond to a baby's cry. And when they first open their eyes and look at you, you feel a complete bond.
But the definition of 'normal' falls flat when discussing the demographics of a large percentage of unwanted pregnancies - often the person in question has some level of attachment disorder in the first place, which much of the time set the stage and led up to the events causing the unwanted pregnancy.
Ergo that bond in such a case will be weak, non-existant or even distorted into hostility at an unwanted dependant, even on a subconscious level.
While not offering any statement on the topic itself, that did need to be pointed out.
I will however, offer this.
I think we should make the Trojan Man a national hero.
Always liked him.
TROJAN MANnnnnnnnnn!
-Frem
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Quote:Frem. I'm shocked my own self. This is so bang-on.
But the definition of 'normal' falls flat when discussing the demographics of a large percentage of unwanted pregnancies - often the person in question has some level of attachment disorder in the first place, which much of the time set the stage and led up to the events causing the unwanted pregnancy. Ergo that bond in such a case will be weak, non-existant or even distorted into hostility at an unwanted dependant, even on a subconscious level.
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Originally posted by SignyM:Quote:Frem. I'm shocked my own self. This is so bang-on.
But the definition of 'normal' falls flat when discussing the demographics of a large percentage of unwanted pregnancies - often the person in question has some level of attachment disorder in the first place, which much of the time set the stage and led up to the events causing the unwanted pregnancy. Ergo that bond in such a case will be weak, non-existant or even distorted into hostility at an unwanted dependant, even on a subconscious level.
Not sure if it's always bang on. I know of two cases where the mother has become very devoted to her child, even though she had some attachment issues before (maybe still; both happen to be single mothers). So while the statement may hold in many cases, I don't think it's fair to generalise it.
The best argument against democracy is a five minute conversation with the average voter.
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Q: Do I have a moral objection to Abortion?
A: Yes... I believe I do.
Q: Would I ever consider abortion as an option?
A: Seeing as how I'm only the sperm donor and this country leaves this decision entirely in the hands of the woman, which I find to be a very unjust practice, I would be ultimately at her mercy in this. I do believe that I would find it impossible to go along with this without a fight if she were to decide that abortion is the way she wanted to handle the situation. I do not desire children, but I do believe personally that we are talking about murder here as a way of skirting the consequences of bad choices we made. This is why it's really important not to sleep around unprotected with somebody who can turn out to be a selfish and shallow idiot in the end. :)
Q: Do I believe that it is my right, or the right of any other person, organization or government to make this decision for me or anybody else?
A: I think you all know the answer to that one, but for those of you who missed it in any thread I've ever spoke on in here before "HELL NO!".
By the way... didn't we have a seperation of church and state? While I ask them nicely to respect my Constitution and quit micromanaging my choice on abortion, I will kindly ask those dickwad nanny police to stop "sin" taxing my cigarettes and alcahol and telling me that I can't smoke anywhere anymore.
Frackin' meddling Alliance bastards......
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I believe the specific perjorative you're looking for here is "Purplebellies".
-F
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